DIC To Make Fresh Buy-Out Bid For Liverpool

eggyoke said:
I've said it before, the whole problem with the Yanks has overshadowed one of the real problems we've got, and thats the teams performance this season. Its simply not good enough, and 95% of that is down to Benitez.

The board room problem is highly worrying for me as a fan, and I want it sorted out as quickly as possibly, but I'm not with those fans who're simply shouting out blind support for Benitez without actually looking at what he's doing. Its like they're not even looking at the football at all.

Benitez this season has been AWFUL. He's simply failed as a manager. From the players he's choosing to use, his complaining, the tactics, rotation and total lack of people-management. He's got a team full of capable to world-class players, and he simply doesn't know how to use them or rally them.

I'm as upset as any Liverpool fan, but I think a lot of our fans need to understand that there isn't just 1 problem at the club, there are 2 equally disturbing problems. Some people need to step back and look at the bigger picture and not just jump on the shouting bandwagon.

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I have to say I agree with everything you say.
The thing that makes me laugh is I have been saying this for a while and I get slated or called "not a real fan".

In order of priority:
Get rid of Rafa.
Get rid of yanks if they want to build us a cheap low capacity stadium.
 
The Americans DO NOT CARE about Liverpool. They're in it for the money and that's it. If we keep them we'll get a budget stadium but also budget players. They've been dishonest since they arrived and anyone that would rather see them stay over Benitez needs shooting.
 
Looks like the refinancing has one through now, so dobut DIC will get involved.

if they don't and we are left with these too at the helm, there won't be a Liverpool left much longer.
 
I think these two yanks have it all wrong, unless they pump money into Liverpool they will not see a return, they wont win the league with the team and wont win the CL again.

They should have sold months ago, the premiership is not a place to make a quick buck.
 
Liverpool co-owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett are thought to have completed their refinancing deal to retain control of the club.

The Americans have reportedly finalised terms on a new £350million loan and are expected to make a formal announcement shortly.

The £350million will be used to repay the money Hicks and Gillett initially borrowed to buy the club last year, as well as purchasing new players like Fernando Torres in the summer.

The remaining £60million will go towards the club's new stadium at Stanley Park, revised plans for which will be unveiled shortly, according to The Times.

The good news for the club and the fans is that not all of the new debt will be placed on the club, as previously thought.

The Guardian reports that £105million will be saddled on the club, and with £60million of that allocated for new stadium costs, the working capital debt will stand at around £45million.

The remaining debt will be spread between Hicks and Gillett's holding company 'Kop Investment', and the Americans themselves.
 
We had the best start to the season for however many years this year. Benitez awful? I think not, the lack of any nouce/class of the american owners(one in particular) has completely undermined him. But now it seems his days are numbered.

If they felt that the manager needed changing, fair enough, but they have royally screwed up the way it should have been done(behind closed doors) and turned it into a circus.
 
chronicbint said:
We had the best start to the season for however many years this year. Benitez awful? I think not, the lack of any nouce/class of the american owners(one in particular) has completely undermined him. But now it seems his days are numbered.

If they felt that the manager needed changing, fair enough, but they have royally screwed up the way it should have been done(behind closed doors) and turned it into a circus.
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Rafa dropped plenty of points in the league with soft team selections and underestimating lesser opponents, this was way before the yanks started acting up.

Get your head out of the sand, the poor league form is down to Rafa, not them.
 
The thing that alarms me the most is that we have some good players. We don`t need shed loads of cash. A decent manager and a nice stadium will do.
Look at what Moyes is doing at Everton with **** all money !!!
 
The Americans screwing over Benitez is likely to affect the players just as much as it is Benitez. For all they know he could be shown the door tomorrow and that's no good for moral or confidence.
 
We do have some good players, but we also have too many crap ones to even think about the title. The poor league form is due to to many crap players, not actually having much transfer money (torres et al were funded as much from selling as the new owners), unsettling comments from the owners AND poor management to some extent. Its not just Rafa's fault. Its a shame because I think he could have turned it around.

Its a very fine line in a lot of games this season, where we totally batter them but never get the second goal(or even the first). The last few games have shown that, Wigan, Man City, Villa.....should all have been wins but the lack of that little bit of quality in certain areas of the pitch has not made it happen. Thats not necessarily Rafa's fault if the players dont deliver.
 
eggyoke said:
I've said it before, the whole problem with the Yanks has overshadowed one of the real problems we've got, and thats the teams performance this season. Its simply not good enough, and 95% of that is down to Benitez.

Benitez this season has been AWFUL. He's simply failed as a manager. From the players he's choosing to use, his complaining, the tactics, rotation and total lack of people-management. He's got a team full of capable to world-class players, and he simply doesn't know how to use them or rally them.

I'm as upset as any Liverpool fan, but I think a lot of our fans need to understand that there isn't just 1 problem at the club, there are 2 equally disturbing problems. Some people need to step back and look at the bigger picture and not just jump on the shouting bandwagon.

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Ridiculous. How can a man who has won La Liga twice and the champions league and the FA Cup not know how to rally players or be tactically aware?

He has some world class players ie. Gerrard, Torres, Mascherano and Alonso but certainly not a squad capable of challenging for a title. You dont win league titles with merely 'capable' players

Statistically he doesnt rotate anymore than Fergie does at Utd. Fergie has more quality at his disposal however.

I cant fault him for using his newest signings sparingly. He said Torres would be eased into English football, he's eased him in and is being rewarded with a striker who is performing well whenever he's given the chance. That to me is the essence of management.

Same with Lucas and Babel, they're just kids in a foreign land, new culture, language, new everything. Benitez cant pile too much pressure on them too soon, even though they have talent.

Benitez needs time and financial backing.
 
rayb74 said:
The thing that alarms me the most is that we have some good players. We don`t need shed loads of cash. A decent manager and a nice stadium will do.
Look at what Moyes is doing at Everton with **** all money !!!
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Open your eyes for a second. Yes Moyes is doing ok, but you could never say that he is going to be challenging to win either the PL or CL.

Liverpool have been suffering from under-investment over the past 10-15 years.

Don't know if G&H are necessarily a good thing but I can see them selling up quite quickly, as they don't understand sport outside of USA. They need the club to make money and expect to simply get bums on seats because its LFC, and TV money will flow in whatever.

What they don't realise is that your income from seats and TV sponsorship is directly proportional to your success on the pitch.
 
One More Solo said:
7, you forgot Van der Sar.
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very few goalies cost much anyway for some reason - I think Cech and possibly the only two in the league that have cost more than that, and maybe one or two others abroad

They certainly dont seem to go for huge transfer fees as all other players do (even allowing for ten to one of "other players" per 1st team - if ya get me lol)

What I dont understand is how they are planning to fund the rest of the stadium - ok so ball park figure of £200-300m (I think Arsenal's cost £250m + £100m from Emirates can anyone confirm?)

Obviously they dont need all of that to start with and once they have moved they can do similar to Arsenal and sell Anfield to a property developer, but surely they need a lot more than the £60m before they get anywhere near complete? What am I missing?

£220m I think was the original purchase price incl previous debt, plus £60m for the stadium - that means £70m left (which could be interest payments for the last 18 months or whatever? -nahhh Man Utd /Glazers arent paying that much for much larger debt but at least some has to be allocated to this)

mike - just because a goood manager can perform in one league doesnt mean his tactics etc will work in another, it doesnt work like that at all Im afraid. Rafa has seeminly got progressively worse every season he has been at Liverpool - and while he started with an pretty good (if aging team - ps how many of HIS players , that he signed - where in your CL winning team, one?Certainly not many) side, most of it is dead wood or not suited to the EPL at all, yes admittedly you have been unlucky with some injuries, but so have Man Utd during the same period (for instance Gary Nevile hasnt played for a year nearly)

Cups rely less on tactics and selections than a full league season - or maybe more accurately a different style of tactics, which Rafa just doesnt have, Undoubtedly he is very good in cups but in reality Liverpool supporters WANT the league - especially before Man Utd level or beat their record haul
 
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FrankJH said:
very few goalies cost much anyway for some reason - I think Cech and possibly the only two in the league that have cost more than that, and maybe one or two others abroad

They certainly dont seem to go for huge transfer fees as all other players do (even allowing for ten to one of "other players" per 1st team - if ya get me lol)
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Generally teams hold onto keepers as there aren't many decents ones about- just look at how much Buffon went to Juve for.
 
One More Solo said:
Generally teams hold onto keepers as there aren't many decents ones about- just look at how much Buffon went to Juve for.
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Probably :) (I cant remember how much Buffon got transferred for)

Why are good goalies so rare though - is it because for most places you can start as a midfielder and actually grow into a defender (or vice versa) and so on round the pitch/positions - but rarely will an outfield player become a goalie?
 
Sadgeek said:
Open your eyes for a second. Yes Moyes is doing ok, but you could never say that he is going to be challenging to win either the PL or CL.

Liverpool have been suffering from under-investment over the past 10-15 years.

Don't know if G&H are necessarily a good thing but I can see them selling up quite quickly, as they don't understand sport outside of USA. They need the club to make money and expect to simply get bums on seats because its LFC, and TV money will flow in whatever.

What they don't realise is that your income from seats and TV sponsorship is directly proportional to your success on the pitch.
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When did I say Everton would win the league ? I think you should open your eyes !
As a comparison look where Everton are compared to us with what Moyes has.
Stop making sad excuses up for Benitez. He is the problem not the owners. The way the yanks have "gone behind his back" is probably due to his public outbursts in the first place. Can you blame them for having a back -up plan?
Rafa has brought this whole mess on the club with his particular brand of mind games with the owners and the team.
 
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