Who's up for a pay rise this year?.

I'm temping and recently found out I'm getting a pay rise... the best thing is that it's being backdated from when I started. Hoorah!
 
Well I got a 12.5% payrise last year, and wouldn't mind the same this year, though my annual review isn't until November :(.

In actuality though, I want a different job. And I'll take a pay cut to get a decent job outdoors. I'm thinking of packing in office work to go and become a gardener at one of the colleges.
 
Gilly said:
I don't know your job, nor your contract, obviously. However, it still stands that civil servants have had it good for far too long, that is why things had to change :)

To come in line with the real world.
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Hmm, still not convinced mate. What was too good? What has to change?

Have you actually worked in the civil service?

Good for too long? Ha. Perhaps management level, in SOME departments yes who are the minority. However I think you are tarring with a brush, and your not so sure on the canvas.

Here is a little personal snippet that still makes me smile. I have IBS, or something as close as dammit.

Do you want to know what the department said I should do to decrease my sickness level? I had 13 days sick in a year, with 10 of those being signed off. By far the worst year for sick in my career to date.

Symptoms: Rectal bleeding, cramps, 3 stone weight loss in 1 year. Two camera's up the ass hole, several biopsies done, and £2,200 bill from Bupa afterwords (NHS taking too long). All these reports from my consultant and GP were sent to HR.

They told me to bring in baby wipes and spare change of pants/boxers to work in case I take a poor turn again. :eek: :confused: :rolleyes:

Would you think that to be cushy?

Good? :confused: lol WE ARE talking about different places mate.

The deparment sacked a woman down south last november as she broke both her ankles in an accident, and she was subsequently signed off. It wasn't until union and external lawyers came in that the deparment finally agreed it acted unlawfully, and was forced to hand her job back.

Go look at the PCS website, my give you a hint towards some of the problems. Why would they be fighting for the following if everyone had a cushy job?:

1.No compulsory redundancies or relocations

2.Pay increases which at least keep pace with the cost of living

3.A national pay system to end unfair pay that sees staff doing the same job paid vastly differing salaries

4.No more privatization and outsourcing without agreements to protect the workforce

5.Adequate resources and decent working conditions

6.No cuts to the Civil Service Compensation Scheme

However I am fed up trying to convince people that the UK goverment cannot be run by one monkey and his organ grinder. :p
 
Biohazard said:
Go look at the PCS website, my give you a hint towards some of the problems. Why would they be fighting for the following if everyone had a cushy job?:

1.No compulsory redundancies or relocations

2.Pay increases which at least keep pace with the cost of living

3.A national pay system to end unfair pay that sees staff doing the same job paid vastly differing salaries

4.No more privatization and outsourcing without agreements to protect the workforce

5.Adequate resources and decent working conditions

6.No cuts to the Civil Service Compensation Scheme
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Firstly I'm sorry to hear about your personal issues with them, that doesn't sound good at all.

To address the point I quoted above, everyone wants that and not many people get it. In the private sector you get companies moving and making people redundant, it is a fact of life. The vast majority of people within the IT sector won't have had pay increases in line with the cost of living for a long time if they've stayed in the same job. There are always people being paid more for the same job, privatisation and outsourcing happens because it is a more viable solution. Companies and government departments need to operate using sound business sense or they aren't going to work. They don't outsource because they don't like the workforce, they do it because it is a good business proposal. If that is through cheaper labour or a cheaper provided service from elsewhere then so be it, but guaranteeing the workforce money in the way you would like them to means they cannot do this.

Decent working conditions are a given. Everyone should have these anyway. I'm not entirely sure what the compensation scheme is.
 
Yes that is just my issues to give you a flavour, and there are thousands out there being bullied because they have genuine circumstances or illness.

Decent working conditions are not a given as you say, our current office breaks the departments own criteria on sq/ft per person, as well as the heating / air systems. These have been known for at least 12 years. The buildings/estates review underway means that people will effectively have to sit on other peoples desks/laps, as the calculated space compared to post job cut numbers are far from matching.

I don't think you can really compare the private sector to public. For one, I am a Law Enforcement agent and as such should be remunerated properly, similar arguments to the Police imo. You can't compare me to a computer tech. As for two people doing the same and paying different it is discriminatory, two people working for the same employer (crown) doing the EXACT same roll.. with thousands of pounds difference. I think that was that argument that won women equal rights in the workplace was it not?

Or is that different? ;)

Considering the recent escapades regarding missing information, would you want to sack even more civil servants and put those who are left under even more stress?
 
Biohazard said:
1.No compulsory redundancies or relocations

2.Pay increases which at least keep pace with the cost of living

3.A national pay system to end unfair pay that sees staff doing the same job paid vastly differing salaries

4.No more privatization and outsourcing without agreements to protect the workforce

5.Adequate resources and decent working conditions

6.No cuts to the Civil Service Compensation Scheme
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Sounds like the private sector...
 
I had a ~15% rise last year which isn't that much as my pay is poo anyway. Hopefully get 10-15% again and I'll be happy then.
 
LMFAO a pay rise yeah right im a prison officer we get shafted as usual, along with all the other public sector workers, thanks Gordon
 
Had a wicked appraisal last year Feb and got a wicked pay rise 2 months later. Had an awesome appraisal last week friday so hopefully another good payrise to follow in the coming 2 months :)
 
As the company I work for goes down the pan, I've taken a job with the people that bought them.

£4k more initial salary, plus £2.5k to relocate.

Then there's possibilities for promotion, which there never have been in my current job (I'm still bottom of the wage ladder, despite being the sysadmin and more)
 
Gilly said:
To address the point I quoted above, everyone wants that and not many people get it. In the private sector you get companies moving and making people redundant, it is a fact of life. The vast majority of people within the IT sector won't have had pay increases in line with the cost of living for a long time if they've stayed in the same job. There are always people being paid more for the same job, privatisation and outsourcing happens because it is a more viable solution. Companies and government departments need to operate using sound business sense or they aren't going to work. They don't outsource because they don't like the workforce, they do it because it is a good business proposal. If that is through cheaper labour or a cheaper provided service from elsewhere then so be it, but guaranteeing the workforce money in the way you would like them to means they cannot do this.

Decent working conditions are a given. Everyone should have these anyway. I'm not entirely sure what the compensation scheme is.
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I think you've got the stereotypical old fashion view of local authorities to be honest.

The Rotherham Council have outsourced a large part of their programme areas to private companies inculding a multi million pound contract with BT to provide ICT, technical and customer services. There is also a large contract with 2010 Rotherham for construction work etc.

The work for local authority employees are lower paid than private sectors and the only real benefit for us is the pension, which has now been scrapped for new starters.
 
Should have asked everyone to say what they do as well.

I work in IT for a large IT firm (30k staff) since joining my salary hasnt kept pace with inflation of 6 years. The new company car with every 5 years with everything bar the fuel thrown in (and the fuel on busniess trips) became £150 a month allowance etc.. And I am not unique unless you are a high fligher, a senior manager or a salesmen its likely you are in the same boat. Redundencies are happening again and the markets on a downturn so not a great time to leave. Cum March I will have no project so may be vulnerable.

On the bright side I should get a good appraisal so I might even get 5%!!

Noticed a few posters mentioned personal appraisal rises and annual cost of living rises. Assume you all Public sector or do some private firms still do that.
 
I was recently informed that I would be receiving a 9% bonus this year. It didnt stop me from handing in my notice and taking a pay drop for the next 6 months.

Sometimes its just not worth the money.
 
busman said:
I was recently informed that I would be receiving a 9% bonus this year. It didnt stop me from handing in my notice and taking a pay drop for the next 6 months.

Sometimes its just not worth the money.
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Blimey. Where things really that bad mate?
 
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