The Budget - Band G Tax £1000!

[[TW]Fox]

Not really, I bet most people including me would accept 1-2p per ltr extra on fuel if road tax was abolished.

I bet you would, doing 10k miles @ 25mpg means that 2p a litre rise would cost you £36.

I'm frankly not suprised you'd accept a £36 rise in exchange for removal of £200 a year tax

 

[Dolph]

See the calculation above - it was be at least 15p per litre extra to abolish road tax. No way would that fly.

But where would the incentive be if the average consumer was no better off?

Make it cheaper for the average user in the average car doing the average mileage, and it would certainly fly, and serve to hit those who either do more mileage or have higher consumption cars even more noticably.

 

[cymatty]

I bet you would, doing 10k miles @ 25mpg means that 2p a litre rise would cost you £36.

I'm frankly not suprised you'd accept a £36 rise in exchange for removal of £200 a year tax

Ok fair cop I hadn't done the calculations however based on that I would be happy to pay 10-12p extra on fuel. How much of our road tax is wasted on the admin of it?. This way you may pay less but with less overheads the amount could possibly be very similar.

Ps 25mpg I wish.

 

[FreeStream]

As far as I can tell, nothing changes for me. I pay £90 for a years tax, and thats all I'll pay next year, unless I've missed something?

You can't - it goes on when the car was new.

Well thats another reason why this system is ****!

So all those incorrect set engines with black smoke in case of diesels or dodgy mixture for petrol are really not going to be within the original settings

Do they even get experts in on this?

225g/km sounds a lot, so lets TAX TAX TAX!!!

Ah well.

 

[Kingy]

EfficientDynamics has come about, I reckon, largely as a result of C02 based company car taxation.

The difference in taxation with company cars can differ by substansially more than a couple of hundred quid though...

I don't understand how you can support a tax that is based on something you disagree with?

 

[clv101]

But where would the incentive be if the average consumer was no better off?

Make it cheaper for the average user in the average car doing the average mileage, and it would certainly fly, and serve to hit those who either do more mileage or have higher consumption cars even more noticably.

If it was moved onto fuel, more people would be better of than not. Because a small number of people doing crazy miles would subsidise a larger number of people doing fewer miles.

If people were rational, understood it, and voted, the majority would vote for a revenue neutral abolition of VED to be swapped for increased duty. People aren’t rational though.

 

[Scania]

So to stick two fingers up to Darling & his mob of cretins, we simply buy an ex demonstrator rather than new, saving the £1k TAX and a hearty discount as its an ex demo?

Spain soon, bye UK.

 

[Kingy]

I honestly dont mind road pricing and never have, provided it replaces fuel duty and excise duty and means that for, say, 'average' mileage the cost of driving remains similar, for high mileage it goes right up and for low mileage it goes down.

What does that offer that putting VED onto fuel dosen't give though? The obvious claim would be congestion, but in the absence of viable alternatives outside the capital this isn't practical. Not to mention the lack of trust surrounding Congestion Charging.

It still makes me laugh that people complained that our roads are crap, despite paying road tax, so they stopped calling it road tax.

 

[[TW]Fox]

I think I've pretty much decided on my new car.

The good news is that its normally aspirated, has 3 litres, develops 272bhp and emits only 177g/km of co2

Have that Gordon

 

[Fr0dders]

i was seriously considering an '04 Mondeo ST220.

but with Co2 emissions of 244g/km i think i may have to give it a miss. An octavia VRS 2.0T is only 188g/km so much better for road tax

but then again, will used prices of mondeo ST220s nose diver after this hike in tax ?

 

[Kingy]

I think I've pretty much decided on my new car.

The good news is that its normally aspirated, has 3 litres, develops 272bhp and emits only 177g/km of co2

Have that Gordon

Is that the new 330 engine? Christ.

What's the CO2 output of the 335?

Is this efficient dynamics thing marketing speak for "they came up with some crappy benchmark, so we tweaked things to suit"?

 

[Jez]

Is this efficient dynamics thing marketing speak for "they came up with some crappy benchmark, so we tweaked things to suit"?

Nail on the head, clever germans 270+bhp and that emissions level is absolutely ridiculous!

 

[[TW]Fox]

Is that the new 330 engine? Christ.

What's the CO2 output of the 335??

335 is rubbish - 221g/km and 30mpg combined becuase its based on the M54 in my car not the new N52.

 

[Scania]

Have that Gordon

Its his Darling little puppet these days, Alistair iirc.

 

[clv101]

Nail on the head, clever germans 270+bhp and that emissions level is absolutely ridiculous!

Why assume it's a con? I know someone with the new diesel and he's seeing approx. the published figures. He couldn't believe the difference from the old 320d he had, more power, less fuel.

 

[[TW]Fox]

It's interesting to compare BMW with Audi.

BMW give you a 118d, which does 0-60 in 8.9 seconds and slips into the low road tax bracket.

Audi have.. some crappy eco version of the godawful 1.9TDI A3 with no kit. Great.

 

[Jez]

Because its physics that if you use the power in that engine it WILL burn loads of fuel. The fixed cycle is not representitive of how a performance variant will be used.

 

[clv101]

Because its physics that if you use the power in that engine it WILL burn loads of fuel.

Urm, there is no absolute, fixed, relationship between power and fuel burn. Some engines are simply more efficient that others.

 

[Jonnycoupe]

Why assume it's a con? I know someone with the new diesel and he's seeing approx. the published figures. He couldn't believe the difference from the old 320d he had, more power, less fuel.

What, hes measuring the CO2?

I think your missing the point, the CO2 emissions of that car will be similar to a car of that power in the real world conditions, its just the stupid 1200 seconds test they run through where the difference is significant and hence drops the BMW product a tax band or two.

 

[[TBR]MadMark]

Labour do not know what to tax next, they hit the motorist because they know they can, we still all have to work make the same journeys etc so what do we do we pay and so they tax again and the british public again will pay. The fuel tax has **** all to do with the environment, the goverment just sees it as an excuse to tax the living daylights out of us becuase basically theyve totally ****** up the country as LABOUR always do (anyone remember the 70's).