Is 20Mb/s becoming 50Mb/s

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I have heard conflicting reports from many people that the current docsis 2 20mbit subcribers will/won't be updated to the docsis 3 50mbit service

On many online forums including this one people say that VM won't, where is this information from?

The VM spotter (person who sorts out services to houses not workable on the database) came to my place the other day and told me that the 20mbit service will be upgraded to the 50mbit service sometime in the near future (around september time:)) but i dont know if this is true?

Does anyone have more information or written definite info that the service will or will not be upgraded? I believe this may influence my decision on which tier to get.
 
digitalspy usually has a very large rumour mill, perpetuated by VM staff that frequent the forum.

I can't see the point in touting a 50meg service when the 20meg users very rarely get anything more than half that.
 
As said many times the 50meg will be a new tier using a different system which is soley for the 50mb, so the 2/10/20 meg tiers will stay on the old system so it should give better speeds across the board although ive always got the speeds i should on 20m so i got no problem, this from cable forums on about it.

It's running on a different DOCSIS 3 system compared to the old DOCSIS1/2 and will be multistreamed. Also a lot of the 20Mb brigade will either go up to 50Mb or down to 10Mb (when the 4Mb upgrade finally gets completed) so you should have a more flattening of the usage on the old tiers which will mean on average people getting closer to thier max
 
In my area i do believe that the 20 meg service is reliable (well most of the time, had 19.5 most of the time, only ever dropped to about 5 once). I believe most people who say they dont get the 20 even at non-peak times are testing there connections in ways that dont get the 20 used fully. To test speed i usually use Grabit and do a refresh grouplist on a few large groups on a premium newsprovider. This usually always gives a good speed (about 19.5meg or 2450-2550KB/s) on VM. Times when this has shown full speed I have seen speedtest give me a result thats awful (sub 10 meg).

So what do you people think:s it will be or it wont be? you think the VM people are lying to get customers or you think people are trying to knock VM and spreading romours that say they wont upgrade?

I also think that it would do them more good having a 4/10/50 tiering. Its not that dissimilar to the current/previous 2/4/10 or 2/4/20 services just about the same sort of numbers (tbh wouldn't say no that they may make the 2 into 5 so its more rounded 5/10/50 sort of numbers

The cloning problem would be OK as 4/10 will only be clonable and the 50 (the best and most bandwidth intensive service) will not get cloned and reduce the speed problems even more
 
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ALLI said:
digitalspy usually has a very large rumour mill, perpetuated by VM staff that frequent the forum.

I can't see the point in touting a 50meg service when the 20meg users very rarely get anything more than half that.
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20 meg user here and the speeds are consistently what they are supposed to be. Haven't really heard of anyone having problems, what are your sources?
 
I see the usual phrase still remains

"When does up to 50Mb broadband arrive?

We’re planning to start rolling out up to 50Mb broadband later in the year"

I wounder how far up to 50Mb I'll be able to get, I'm lucky if I get 8.5Mb on a good day on my 20Mb service.

doggo
 
Hmm. As far as I know, most vm customers acheive good speeds. I'm not going to get into a huge debate about it but I would definitely try and resolve the situation. Looking at your router would probably be a good start, then contacting vm.
 
Well I just ditched Wireless-G for my machine in anticipation of going 50MB later this year!

I regularly cap 20MB speeds so 50MB would be good :p
 
should hace stated in my first post that i didnt want to statrt off a stupid - my 20meg only pulls 3meg debate, it is ok in my area the only thign that needs finding out is what will happen with the tiers, again i think a 4(or 5) M tier, 10 L tier and a 50 XL tier isnt far off what we are on now.

Thinking from their point of view there can't be that many 20meg customers in relation to the 2/4(10). so it would only cost the modems for the 20 tier better still, they could just take back these 20 meg ones then use them again for other lower tier subscribers.

Addtionally the cloning problem would be sorted by transitioning the 50 tier to a currently secure platform. so cloners will only be able to use low tiers and wont be knackering up the speeds on 50 for us legitimate users

Oh and chances are that quite a lot of these "slow users" are running on oversubscribed areas or areas that are running QAM64 on 6mhz channels only allowing maximum of 30mbit on a channel unlike better 8mhz areas or 256 areas
 
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ALLI said:
digitalspy usually has a very large rumour mill, perpetuated by VM staff that frequent the forum.

I can't see the point in touting a 50meg service when the 20meg users very rarely get anything more than half that.
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Utter bull ****. I get 20meg for the majority of the time.

When it does dip, which is quite rare it'll go to around 15-17mb.
 
Another 20mb user here that gets 20mb all the time.

I think its just "cool" to abuse NTL/VM for the sake of it tbh.

As for 50mb, im very happy with my current 20mb package and doubt i would be willing to pay much more for a 50mb package, unless they do something special with the caps to make it more interesting than just a speedboost. Id also want a nice large upload speed rather than the pathetic 758kb ive currently got.
 
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