My car so far

The "don't use a harness without a cage" point regularly crops up on forums, but around 25% of the road rally cars used regularly in the UK don't have cages and use harnesses.

You are also told on the internet not to use a cage without a helmet - which again brings me back to road rallies (and I believe enduros?) where the use of a helmet is expressly forbidden, cage or not.
 
Jez said:
Its a 1350KG saloon powered by a fairly average engine and is front wheel driven. I dont believe 6.0 to 60 for a second youtube video or not.
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That's my video.

This makes me laugh, even with evidence people still say "don't believe it".

That was several months after I bought the Accord, it had new plugs and oil... that is it. Completely stock.
 
DreXeL said:
As much as I feel that there is some 'have a dig at Skywalker' bandwagon jumping going on in this thread, there is no way a 200+ bhp FWD car can launch at 6k with no wheelspin, LSD or not :)
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What?

Watch the video, it IS spinning the wheels. There's another video on there that shows a dump and wheel hop, the car struggles to break 7 seconds. I used that for reference and that showed people car control to get pretty much the fastest launch you can on road tyres with the stock car.

The argument raged that the Accord couldn't break the sub 6 seconds on the ATR owners forum, I always said it could, no one believed me so I went out and proved it.

My STOCK Accord Type R digitally timed did 5.8 second to 60, believe what you like, that is a FACT.

Anyway I'm not going to get in to a petty argument, I know for a fact what the car did so I'm happy it performed above expectations.

On a lighter note ;) the rolling radius, rev limit and FD combined with fifth gear equate to 154mph on the limit in fifth, my car hit the limiter as most do (if the owner attempts it). That's not reading the speedo, that's using 100% accurate maths - although you could go further and factor is tyre shape at that speed i.e. an increased rolling radius and therefore a higher speed than gearing alone would allow. ;)
 
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[TW]Fox;11290842 said:
No, I didn't. And I honestly cant be bothered to argue about how a 200bhp Accord 'beat' a 400bhp M5 and a 340bhp M3, becuase its just stupid.
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Rather naive a comment.

Weight has an adverse effect of every performance related area, braking, acceleration, handling and ultimately tyre degradation. The video shows that in 'stock road' form a heavy M5 soon over powers it's tyres and simply doesn't have the agility of a 400kg lighter saloon. Simple science really.
 
[TW]Fox;11291436 said:
Is your speedo calibrated?
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To 60 it's absolutely **** on, but importantly the actual 0-60 time was measured with digital timing gear (similar to what the manufacturers use).

When I first did that video the guys on the forum knew me and knew full well the car was stock and why I did it, I can understand the cynicism and all I can say is that was done in a honest and true environment to prove/disprove a point.
 
ethos said:
Gaijin, because a lot of people put harnesses in their car for "occasional" track use doesn't mean it's a good idea.

Also on the track you have a fairly high chance of a smack (might be small, might be big) as you are on the edge all the time.

Not a dig at you or Skywalker, it's something that could kill you/complicate matters a lot in the event of a crash. Something I think people should be aware of when fitting these things!

If you like the tight feeling of a harness try something like cg-lock :)
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I absolutely agree, nowhere did I say that I thought it was. I'm not sure how great a difference having a CG lock makes - doesnt it just lock you against the seat in a similar (albeit not as good but cheaper) fashion? Why is this any less dangerous?

I think both myself and Skywalker know you aren't having a dig mate, it's nice however to see someone stating their opinion in a polite manner on this forum, something it would be nicer to see from others. Thanks :)
 
Edleake said:
What?

Watch the video.
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I can't watch the vid till later tonight when I finish work. I still find it difficult to believe that you had NO wheelspin launching it at 6k.

Anyway, why are you getting all defensive with me? I haven't once doubted the 0-60 time. I merely said I find it hard to believe that there was no wheelspin whatsoever.
 
The harness argument: I only fit mine for track work.

I wouldn't have caught a 100mph+ slide down craner curves without it, very gentle step from the rear that I felt through the bracing to the seat.

I agree though, that harnesses on the road are OTT and often push you to drive faster through confidence.
 
DreXeL said:
I can't watch the vid till later tonight when I finish work. I still find it difficult to believe that you had NO wheelspin launching it at 6k.

Anyway, why are you getting all defensive with me? I haven't once doubted the 0-60 time. I merely said I don't believe that there was no wheelspin whatsoever.
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Sorry dude I didn't realise you hadn't see it, I also just edited my post before you posted the above.

There is wheel 'spin' (actually slip) in the video, I had to slip to get the car to launch that quick, spin or hop kill the launch. :)
 
Sorry dude I didn't fully read your earlier post, my mistake. :)

I think once you view the video you'll be suitable impressed - well at least that's what I hope!
 
I've opted for a single exit on my Accord R, I must admit I've never been a fan of twin exit on the Accord (even the stock items)!

I also went for lightweight, but my car won't be road legal for many more months.
 
Nice car. If it was mine I'd probably have smaller exhausts but other than that, I like :)

The white wheels (when clean) look win. I just wish I'd bought a Milano red CTR so I could get away with them (they look totally gash as on a Satin silver like mine).
 
[TW]Fox;11291677 said:
Why pick an Accord for a light weight track weapon? Its self defeating as its a big car. Why not a Teg?
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I like touring cars and production class saloons, I also like a challenge. The term self defeating is absurd, it's not even a heavy car!

My ATR will be about 1050kg with FIA cage in production class form, fully MSA approved - as far as racing goes it'll be a rather modest/small budget too.

The ATR is a big car with a small waist line, without AC and fuel it's under 1300KG which is incredibly considering a) torsional stiffness b) its size and c) it's NCAP rating.
 
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