McCanns going too far?

scorza said:
Firstly the McCann case is not a case of child neglect. Secondly, child neglect is a serious problem whether or not someone gets abducted or hurt - the result does not dictate the seriousness of the crime. Thirdly, abduction is the most serious allegation in the McCann case.
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Right do you have children?

You do not leave your kids unattended in that manner if you are in anyway a responsible parent, end of story.

To do so shows you either don't value your children enough or you are so bloody naive that you probably shouldn't have kids in the first place.

It was neglect. You do not leave you children unattended to go to bloody dinner with friends. It is highly irresponsible and to be honest I just think you are being contrary for the hell of it now.
 
scorza said:
1) Firstly the McCann case is not a case of child neglect.

2) Secondly, child neglect is a serious problem whether or not someone gets abducted or hurt - the result does not dictate the seriousness of the crime.

3) Thirdly, abduction is the most serious allegation in the McCann case.
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1) It is a case of Neglect.

2) Partially correct. However, in this case it does add to the seriousness of the crime. Had they not neglected their child, she wouldn't have been kidnapped, simple.

3) Yes, again see #2.
 
[TW]Fox;11328006 said:
I see. Are you telling me it's not against the law to leave a 4 year old child unattended in the house whilst you go out for a meal?
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Yes I am telling you that. You can read about some real cases of child neglect here: http://search.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/search/results.pl?scope=all&edition=d&q=child+neglect&go=Search

[TW]Fox;11328006 said:
I think it's fairly obvious the child is dead.
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We can't possibly know that. I think she is probably dead but if I were her parent I'd keep looking until I knew for sure.
 
dark_shadow said:
2) Partially correct. However, in this case it does add to the seriousness of the crime. Had they not neglected their child, she wouldn't have been kidnapped, simple.
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Are you saying that the parents of abducted children are always guilty of child neglect, because if they were looking after them properly they wouldn't have been abducted?
 
scorza said:
Yes I am telling you that.
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So now we've established your knowledge of the law is poor at best.

'it is against the law to leave children in circumstances that put them in any kind of danger'

Read Section 12 of the Children and Young Persons Act (1937).

Ok, it's open to interpretation, but I think anyone sane would agree that 4 years old, alone, is wrong.
 
[TW]Fox;11328143 said:
So now we've established your knowledge of the law is poor at best.

'it is against the law to leave children in circumstances that put them in any kind of danger'
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LOL my knowledge of the law is better than yours it seems - they haven't even broken done that. The circumstances in which they left them should have been perfectly safe - the danger came from whoever abducted her.

If we say that to leave children alone is child neglect because they are danger from abduction, then every single parent in the country would be in prison. What about the parents of that girl who was abducted out of her bath? If her parents hadn't left her alone in the bath room she couldn't have been abducted - did they leave her in circumstances that put her in danger?
 
scorza said:
LOL my knowledge of the law is better than yours it seems - they haven't even broken done that. The circumstances in which they left them should have been perfectly safe - the danger came from whoever abducted her.

If we say that to leave children alone is child neglect because they are danger from abduction, then every single parent in the country would be in prison. What about the parents of that girl who was abducted out of her bath? If her parents hadn't left her alone in the bath room she couldn't have been abducted - did they leave her in circumstances that put her in danger?
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I believe they were in the house when it happened. A bit of a difference.
 
scorza said:
LOL my knowledge of the law is better than yours it seems - they haven't even broken done that. The circumstances in which they left them should have been perfectly safe - the danger came from whoever abducted her.

If we say that to leave children alone is child neglect because they are danger from abduction, then every single parent in the country would be in prison. What about the parents of that girl who was abducted out of her bath? If her parents hadn't left her alone in the bath room she couldn't have been abducted - did they leave her in circumstances that put her in danger?
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There is a massive difference between being in other room in the house and going out with your mates for the night and leaving your kids and you know it.
 
Slinwagh said:
There is a massive difference between being in other room in the house and going out with your mates for the night and leaving your kids and you know it.
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There's a difference but I don't see that there's a massive difference.

What about Sarah Payne? 7 years old and left by her grandparents to play in a field with no adult supervision. Should her grandparents be convicted of child neglect? I say not because the circumstances they left her in should have been perfectly safe. The danger was external to those circumstances in the form of Roy Whiting.
 
hamesy said:
And there is no evidence to prove they are innocent. Until you or someone else can prove that they have nothing to do with the disappearance, then the papers in question, imo have done nothing wrong.
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It would be a sad world if we all went around accusing each other of doing things that we hadn't done without any evidence.
Is there any proof that you didn't abduct her?
 
I agree with Scorza after recently doing a course on Child Protection.
What the McCanns did was not neglect but stupidity.

From the NSPCC site :

Neglect is the persistent lack of appropriate care of children, including love, stimulation, safety, nourishment, warmth, education and medical attention. It can have a serious effect on a child's physical, mental and emotional development. For babies and very young children, it can be life-threatening.
 
dmpoole said:
I agree with Scorza after recently doing a course on Child Protection.
What the McCanns did was not neglect but stupidity.

From the NSPCC site :

Neglect is the persistent lack of appropriate care of children, including love, stimulation, safety, nourishment, warmth, education and medical attention. It can have a serious effect on a child's physical, mental and emotional development. For babies and very young children, it can be life-threatening.
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You do realise that the night in question wasn't the first night the child had been left unattended....
 
dmpoole said:
I agree with Scorza after recently doing a course on Child Protection.
What the McCanns did was not neglect but stupidity.

From the NSPCC site :

Neglect is the persistent lack of appropriate care of children, including love, stimulation, safety, nourishment, warmth, education and medical attention. It can have a serious effect on a child's physical, mental and emotional development. For babies and very young children, it can be life-threatening.
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So lets say my daughter needs medical treatment and I do nothing about it, I haven't been neglectful becasue my actions haven't been persisitent?
 
scorza said:
There's a difference but I don't see that there's a massive difference.

What about Sarah Payne? 7 years old and left by her grandparents to play in a field with no adult supervision. Should her grandparents be convicted of child neglect? I say not because the circumstances they left her in should have been perfectly safe. The danger was external to those circumstances in the form of Roy Whiting.
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Another example is that child who was taken from a tent in the back garden. How many parents have let children camp out in the garden?
 
Slinwagh said:
So lets say my daughter needs medical treatment and I do nothing about it, I haven't been neglectful becasue my actions haven't been persisitent?
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Ask the NSPCC - they are the experts.

Dolph said:
You do realise that the night in question wasn't the first night the child had been left unattended....
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I do know this.
Ask the NSPCC - they are the experts.
 
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