Peugeot 306, Whats the catch (First car idea)

wohoo said:
I had a XT, it had lovely plush seats, alarm immob,sunroof, front and rear electrics, but no AC, look for a 97/98 on model, phase ones arent worth it now, ive seen 2000 models go for 1500 notes (high miles tho)
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Yeah, XT was closer to a DTurbo in spec terms and about the same price new. Most peeps were cheap and went for the decent engine in the lowest spec, so most of the Phase1's are XLdt or DTurbo's cause they wanted a cheap to run XSi lookalike.

Mate at work just got a 96 DTurbo in that very nice metallic blue for about £500. It's been about 7 years since I was last in one and I was suprised how good it felt even with 150k+ on it. The old problem of comedy headroom in sunroof cars was still there tho. Needless to say the previous ***** owner had stuck horrid m3 mirrors, lexus lights and bobbly tints on it. Lights and mirrors are now fixed!
 
MagicBoy said:
Mate at work just got a 96 DTurbo in that very nice metallic blue for about £500. It's been about 7 years since I was last in one and I was suprised how good it felt even with 150k+ on it. The old problem of comedy headroom in sunroof cars was still there tho. Needless to say the previous ***** owner had stuck horrid m3 mirrors, lexus lights and bobbly tints on it. Lights and mirrors are now fixed!
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That's about what I'm looking for to be honest! Although probably gonna spend around £800~ish. So hopefully get one in good nic with around 100k on the clock. :) Just comes down to whats availble at the time. (And how much moeny I have and all that crap! :p)
 
allllec said:
That's about what I'm looking for to be honest! Although probably gonna spend around £800~ish. So hopefully get one in good nic with around 100k on the clock. :) Just comes down to whats availble at the time. (And how much moeny I have and all that crap! :p)
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I sold my fantastic condition '98 phase 2 1.4 for £800 last summer. At the time the same cash would have bought a scabby '96 TD engined phase 1. Not sure how much further the prices have dropped but its worth bearing in mind imo.
 
lordrobs said:
I sold my fantastic condition '98 phase 2 1.4 for £800 last summer. At the time the same cash would have bought a scabby '96 TD engined phase 1. Not sure how much further the prices have dropped but its worth bearing in mind imo.
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Locally the market is pretty rubbish, But reasonable examples are available for the £800 mark. :)
 
It really matters not if the 1.4 8v is OK for a first car. The 1.9TD is a better engine in every possible way and costs no more to buy and insure, plus a little tweak here and there shows 100-110bhp. You really cannot go wrong with one as a first car :)

Petrol engined 306's aren't much cop imo and that includes the highly strung GTI-6
 
Stonedofmoo said:
It really matters not if the 1.4 8v is OK for a first car. The 1.9TD is a better engine in every possible way and costs no more to buy and insure, plus a little tweak here and there shows 100-110bhp. You really cannot go wrong with one as a first car :)

Petrol engined 306's aren't much cop imo and that includes the highly strung GTI-6
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I'm not one for modifying but do tell about the BHP boost? How's that achieved?


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PSA Petrol engines of that era are nothing to shout about whereas the diesels were the class leaders of their time.

Dturbo was the top spec, alloys aircon etc.

The naturally aspirated engine is not as bad as most people expect, but is of course slower than the turbo! On the plus side mine returns 53/55 to the gallon on a run so is very cheap to run. I would think if you're considering a 1.4 petrol you'll be happy with the 1.9D N/A which, as not that many people want them, is quite a lot cheaper. They make great workhorses and indeed first cars.

My usual point with these threads is that 306's are expensive for what they are. The Citroen ZX which is slightly older, more primitive looking but EXACTLY the same car underneath can be had for much less than an equivalent 306. The Xsara which is slightly newer can be had for the same or slightly less that the equivlant 306.
 
Google screw mod. Basically you turn a screw on the fuel pump so it chucks more fuel in hence more power (and smoke). Only works on the mechanical injector XUD engine. HDI's have nasty complex electronics.
 
I don't mind paying the premiumfor the 306 to be honest, Much prefer the looks to be honest :)

Yeah, Well like I said it just depends on whats around at the time, but would you say if I cant get DTurbo or TDLX its worth getting bog standard Diesel? If so what spec? (like the name or letters).

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alec
 
Look up the infamous screw mod or 'stage 1' on Pug306.net

Basically you just need to turn a few screws and you go from 90bhp to somewhere round 110bhp, maybe 115bhp if you have a decat and don't mind extra smoke. The standard Stg1 should not smoke, if you have you've overdone the fueling.
 
The Edge said:
PSA Petrol engines of that era are nothing to shout about whereas the diesels were the class leaders of their time.

Dturbo was the top spec, alloys aircon etc.

The naturally aspirated engine is not as bad as most people expect, but is of course slower than the turbo! On the plus side mine returns 53/55 to the gallon on a run so is very cheap to run. I would think if you're considering a 1.4 petrol you'll be happy with the 1.9D N/A which, as not that many people want them, is quite a lot cheaper. They make great workhorses and indeed first cars.

My usual point with these threads is that 306's are expensive for what they are. The Citroen ZX which is slightly older, more primitive looking but EXACTLY the same car underneath can be had for much less than an equivalent 306. The Xsara which is slightly newer can be had for the same or slightly less that the equivlant 306.
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The citroen is actually a fair few groups higher in terms of insurance, and looks fugly.
 
allllec said:
I don't mind paying the premiumfor the 306 to be honest, Much prefer the looks to be honest :)

Yeah, Well like I said it just depends on whats around at the time, but would you say if I cant get DTurbo or TDLX its worth getting bog standard Diesel? If so what spec? (like the name or letters).

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alec
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No. It's slug slow and has less power than the 1.4. I test drove an XLd before I got my DTurbo and it was pedestrian. Fuel economy is the same as the TD it revs higher on the motorway and most had no power steering which was heavy even when I was used to driving a non-PAS car with fat tyres on it.
 
MagicBoy said:
No. It's slug slow and has less power than the 1.4. I test drove an XLd before I got my DTurbo and it was pedestrian. Fuel economy is the same as the TD it revs higher on the motorway and most had no power steering which was heavy even when I was used to driving a non-PAS car with fat tyres on it.
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That one must have been well killed as mine ran the same as 1.6.

paradigm said:
Don't get a non-turbo. There really is no point.
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Quoted for the truth.

I had one, really not worth it, especially considering the turbo doesn't increase insurance much if at all.

Not bad cars for the money though overall. :)

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allllec said:
Yeah, Well like I said it just depends on whats around at the time, but would you say if I cant get DTurbo or TDLX its worth getting bog standard Diesel? If so what spec? (like the name or letters).
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If one comes up in the right condition at the right money then i'd say yes it is. But not from a performance point of view :)

I've got a ZX 1.9D which is the same as a 306 XLD/XND. It's not as slow as people expect, partly becasue there is no Turbo lag as it doesn't have one. It does struggle a bit on hills with two people, 2 person's worth of sailing kit and about 175kgs of boat and trailer on the back. You really have to make sure it's in the right gear or it won't pull you out of bed.

But, as i said it does up to 55/gallon including towing whereas with a turbo you get 45ish. The bodywork on mine is in fantastic condition for it's age, and the car has been regularly serviced and has only had one mechanical problem in 15 months which was easy to sort out (Fanbelt tensioner). It does 90mph on the motorway if you need it to, 80 without breaking sweat. Driven correctly you won't have a problem, provided you don't expect too much acceleration at speed.

If you're not bothered about performance then you'll be fine with a N/A 1.9D. XN is the bottom spec, XT i think was the top. XTtD i think is the turbo, XTD is N/A. XTs are the top spec other than the DTurbo.
 
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It's also worth noting that older ones are probably better from the performance point of view. CAT's and EGR valves sap power which on a N/A diesel engine is at a premium. That might be why the one MagicBoy drove was so painful.

I think they started to appear at about P reg.
 
Cool.

Thanks again, everyone, for the info. Much appreciated. Better head off to bed. Gotta get up in 6 hours for work! *cries*

Fingers crossed I should be a 306 owner in the not too distant future. :)

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alec
 
The Edge said:
It's also worth noting that older ones are probably better from the performance point of view. CAT's and EGR valves sap power which on a N/A diesel engine is at a premium. That might be why the one MagicBoy drove was so painful.

I think they started to appear at about P reg.
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The XLd was a 95M I think. I ended up with a 95N DTurbo with 43k on it for £500 more! Great car, shouldn't really have sold it when I did.
 
306 is still my plan. However I *might* be getting a 1.4 106 D for stupidly cheap.

So what I will probably do is 106 > 306 > Focus in the long run :)

I realise the 106 isn't a fantastic car but its cheap to insure and I *might* be able to pick one up for Circa £200. (Possibly less).

If however I don't manage to get it, then it will be 306 as normal.
 
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