Conspiracy theories...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_inch

Questioning the inch is what made me look it up. Rather interesting imo

If you read your own entry you'll see that it pretty much refutes the existence of such an inch, and that's ignoring the fact that numbers given in the original post are just plain wrong.

For example the attempt to claim the height of the pyramid as the average between land and see only works if you measure its current height, without its pyramidion making it about 8 metres shorter. The other measurements given are mostly wrong too.
 
I notice nobody has bothered to mention, never mind debunk Robert Kennedy's Assassination since I mentioned it on page 1.

It's probably one of the only provable and clear conspiracy's that actually exist.

because it's been debunked so throughly so many times even the conspiracy nuts have given up.
 
The other thing about Conspiracy Theories is that there are so many alternatives for the same thing.
How many different theories are there for 9/11?
I also like when something has been disproved the CT will say 'Yeah OK but what about xxx?' and then that will be disproved and they'll still search for the next thing to hang onto.
I wager that if all the CT's on here sat down and had a talk they would all come up with differing views on the same subject.
 
yeah i am nvm,

why exactly would people in "power" want him dead?

This is the problem people see the word conspiracy and throw the baby out with the bathwater.

As to motive, are you kidding me? I really think you need to read up on Robert Kennedy and how he upset the establishment especially the intelligence agencies.
 
The other thing about Conspiracy Theories is that there are so many alternatives for the same thing.
How many different theories are there for 9/11?

Disinformation is the deliberate dissemination of false information. It may include the distribution of forged documents, manuscripts, and photographs, or propagation of malicious rumors and fabricated intelligence. In the context of espionage or military intelligence, it is the deliberate spreading of false information to mislead an enemy as to one's position or course of action. In the context of politics, it is the deliberate attempt to deflect voter support of an opponent, disseminating false statements of innuendo based on the candidates vulnerabilities as revealed by opposition research. In both cases, it also includes the distortion of true information in such a way as to render it useless.

Disinformation techniques may also be found in commerce and government, used by one group to try to undermine the position of a competitor. It in fact is the act of deception and blatant false statements to convince someone of an untruth. Cooking-the-books might be considered a disinformation strategy that led to the Sarbanes-Oxley Act.

Unlike traditional propaganda and Big Lie techniques designed to engage emotional support, disinformation is designed to manipulate the audience at the rational level by either discrediting conflicting information or supporting false conclusions.

Another technique of concealing facts, or censorship, is also used if the group can affect such control. When channels of information cannot be completely closed, they can be rendered useless by filling them with disinformation, effectively lowering their signal-to-noise ratio.

A common disinformation tactic is to mix some truth and observation with false conclusions and lies, or to reveal part of the truth while presenting it as the whole (a limited hangout).


The Cold War made disinformation a recognized military and political tactic. Military disinformation techniques were described by Vladimir Volkoff. Disinformation techniques may also be found in commerce and government, used by one group to try to undermine the position of a competitor or consumer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinformation
 
This is the problem people see the word conspiracy and throw the baby out with the bathwater.

As to motive, are you kidding me? I really think you need to read up on Robert Kennedy and how he upset within the establishment especially the intelligence agancies.

Nope never read up on Robert Kennedy, really can't be arsed to either I was just hoping for your reasons for believing it to be a conspiracy and instead all you do get arsey about it, which suggests you aren't that confident about your theory and so don;t want to give it, in any detail greater than "mist cloud vague"
 
The trouble with conspiracy theories is the amount of obvious rubbish and how people managed to form so many links, however if you look at certain things on their own it seems bad enough, for instance watch this short (30 sec) video where bush and kerry admit to being in a secret society, no not one guy running for president but two are in da club and what a nice name it has too!

There's a few 'clubs' like that where people of high positions in government and business can join, they even go on big days out together sometimes and get up to questionable stuff, though its ok im sure because its all just a bit of harmless fun!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7348698445374958940

and just for fun... :p
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO5WoLnOOlU
 
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_inch

Questioning the inch is what made me look it up. Rather interesting imo

Interesting...

But again, the significance of taking 3652.4 to 365.24 only becomes apparent when you count in base-10. There is nothing to suggest that an alien intelligence would count in base-10 (from an external perspective a base which is a power of 2 would be more logical), and certainly they would not assume that we would, especially since there was no base-10 counting civilisation on Earth at that time. This comes through again in the "one pyramid inch = ( 1/5,000,000,000 ) * earths_diameter factoid.

But like I said, the pyramid being the same height as the average land height, and placed at the current centre of land-mass is a startling fact (if indeed it is true). This is something which is independent of any form of measurement system.

I'd love to believe that the pyramids were built by extra-terrestrials, or that ETs exist at all, but as a scientist I'm a natural skeptic of all things.
 
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Origins of the Skull and Bones and it's hand in the Opium Trade said:
The story begins at Yale, where three threads of American social history -- espionage, drug smuggling and secret societies -- intertwine into one.

Elihu Yale was born near Boston, educated in London, and served with the British East India Company, eventually becoming governor of Fort Saint George, Madras, in 1687. He amassed a great fortune from trade and returned to England in 1699. Yale became known as quite a philanthropist; upon receiving a request from the Collegiate School in Connecticut, he sent a donation and a gift of books. After subsequent bequests, Cotton Mather suggested the school be named Yale College, in 1718.

A statue of Nathan Hale stands on Old Campus at Yale University. There is a copy of that statue in front of the CIA's headquarters in Langley, Virginia. Yet another stands in front of Phillips Academy in Andover, Massachusetts (where George H.W. Bush ('48) went to prep school and joined a secret society at age twelve).

Nathan Hale, along with three other Yale graduates, was a member of the "Culper Ring," one of America's first intelligence operations. Established by George Washington, it was successful throughout the Revolutionary War. Nathan was the only operative to be ferreted out by the British, and after speaking his famous regrets, he was hanged in 1776. Ever since the founding of the Republic, the relationship between Yale and the "Intelligence Community" has been unique.

In 1823, Samuel Russell established Russell and Company for the purpose of acquiring opium in Turkey and smuggling it to China. Russell and Company bought out the Perkins (Boston) syndicate in 1830 and moved the primary center of American opium smuggling to Connecticut. Many of the great American and European fortunes were built on the "China"(opium) trade.

One of Russell and Company's Chief of Operations in Canton was Warren Delano, Jr., grandfather of Franklin Roosevelt. Other Russell partners included John Cleve Green (who financed Princeton), Abiel Low (who financed construction of Columbia), Joseph Coolidge and the Perkins, Sturgis and Forbes families. (Coolidge's son organized the United Fruit company, and his grandson, Archibald C. Coolidge, was a co-founder of the Council on Foreign Relations.)

William Huntington Russell ('33), Samuel's cousin, studied in Germany from 1831-32. Germany was a hotbed of new ideas. The "scientific method" was being applied to all forms of human endeavor. Prussia, which blamed the defeat of its forces by Napoleon in 1806 on soldiers only thinking about themselves in the stress of battle, took the principles set forth by John Locke and Jean Rosseau and created a new educational system. Johan Fitche, in his "Address to the German People," declared that the children would be taken over by the State and told what to think and how to think it.

Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel took over Fitche's chair at the University Of Berlin in 1817, and was a professor there until his death in 1831. Hegel was the culmination of the German idealistic philosophy school of Immanuel Kant.

To Hegel, our world is a world of reason. The state is Absolute Reason and the citizen can only become free by worship and obedience to the state. Hegel called the state the "march of God in the world" and the "final end". This final end, Hegel said, "has supreme right against the individual, whose supreme duty is to be a member of the state." Both fascism and communism have their philosophical roots in Hegellianism. Hegellian philosophy was very much in vogue during William Russell's time in Germany.

When Russell returned to Yale in 1832, he formed a senior society with Alphonso Taft ('33). According to information acquired from a break-in to the "tomb" (the Skull and Bones meeting hall) in 1876, "Bones is a chapter of a corps in a German University.... General Russell, its founder, was in Germany before his Senior Year and formed a warm friendship with a leading member of a German society. He brought back with him to college, authority to found a chapter here." So class valedictorian William H. Russell, along with fourteen others, became the founding members of "The Order of Scull and Bones," later changed to "The Order of Skull and Bones".

The secretive Order of Skull and Bones exists only at Yale. Fifteen juniors are "tapped" each year by the seniors to be initiated into next year's group. Each initiate is given $15,000 and a grandfather clock. Far from being a campus fun-house, the group is geared more toward the success of its members in the post-collegiate world.

The family names on the Skull and Bones roster roll off the tongue like an elite party list -- Lord, Whitney, Taft, Jay, Bundy, Harriman, Weyerhaeuser, Pinchot, Rockefeller, Goodyear, Sloane, Stimson, Phelps, Perkins, Pillsbury, Kellogg, Vanderbilt, Bush, Lovett and so on.

William Russell went on to become a general and a state legislator in Connecticut. Alphonso Taft was appointed U.S. Attorney General, Secretary of War (a post many "Bonesmen" have held), Ambassador to Austria, and Ambassador to Russia (another post held by many "Bonesmen"). His son, William Howard Taft ('87), is the only man to be both President of the United States and Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.

http://www.mega.nu/ampp/skull.html

At any one time there are only a few thousand 'bonesmen'. Now statistcily, in a 'fair and free democracy' what's the probability out of a country with a population of 200-300 million, that by chance, you will have two presidential candidates both from the same brotherhood?

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Nope never read up on Robert Kennedy, really can't be arsed to either I was just hoping for your reasons for believing it to be a conspiracy and instead all you do get arsey about it, which suggests you aren't that confident about your theory and so don;t want to give it, in any detail greater than "mist cloud vague"

Not at all, hence the fact on page one I posted two videos to BBC Newsnight regarding the matter.

If you want my personal opinion then the reason I believe it was a conspiracy is because he was shot at point blank range in the back of the head, while Sirhan Sirhan the man who was arrested and imprisoned for his murder was never any closer than 6 feet in front of him. Sirhan has no recollection of the murder and the fact he fired a gun holding a maximum of 8 shots when the sound of 13 shots were tape recorded and more than 8 bullets found by forensics at the scene seems a bit odd.

It is also shown that 3 CIA top brass were there the night of the murder who had no reason to be there, one of which was Chief of Psychological Warfare Operations.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/6169006.stm


Go back and view the news night video in my first post on page 1.
 
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If you read your own entry you'll see that it pretty much refutes the existence of such an inch, and that's ignoring the fact that numbers given in the original post are just plain wrong.

For example the attempt to claim the height of the pyramid as the average between land and see only works if you measure its current height, without its pyramidion making it about 8 metres shorter. The other measurements given are mostly wrong too.

I wasn't questioning the numbers as much as I was intrigued at the fact our current inch being so close to a very ancient measurement.
 
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Another little (43 sec) video of bush when asked about 911, his reaction seems very strange indeed, so much so the reporter tries to lighten the mood by joking, are these signs of knowledge and possibly even guilt showing?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCvqXXnxLZw

Anyway i don't want to get into that particular CT as everyone is tired of it, I just remembered the video and thought others might find it it funny/interesting, i don't believe bush could be behind much of anything though.
 
I wasn't questioning the numbers as much as I was intrigued at the fact our current inch being so close to a very ancient measurement.

The inch was based on the length of the second thumb joint. It makes sense that an ancient inch would be close to our modern standardised inch.
 
But like I said, the pyramid being the same height as the average land height....This is something which is independent of any form of measurement system.
Demonstrably untrue, see my earlier post re the pyramidion.

I wasn't questioning the numbers as much as I was intrigued at the fact our current inch being so close to a very ancient measurement.
Your own link disputed that there ever was such a measurement really in use.
 
I wasn't questioning the numbers as much as I was intrigued at the fact our current inch being so close to a very ancient measurement.

... it certainly is interesting :)

I think I'll be googling the origins of the inch in British terms, when I have a spare 10mins here and there :) The formulation and acceptance of rigid yet totally arbitrary measurements kind of fascinates me!
 
... it certainly is interesting :)

I think I'll be googling the origins of the inch in British terms, when I have a spare 10mins here and there :) The formulation and acceptance of rigid yet totally arbitrary measurements kind of fascinates me!

As I said above, the inch was based on the thumb joint. The foot was based on the length of the king's foot. The yard was the length of a stride. A stone was the weight of... a stone.
 
Demonstrably untrue, see my earlier post re the pyramidion.

What does that prove, even if it is true? IF the pyramid is placed exactly at the centre-of-mass of the Earth's land mass, then that is in itself a remarkable fact. If its height (with or without the one piece of stone which breaks the staggered-block nature of the rest of the object) is also related to the height of earth's land mass (a related co-ordinate), then that further reinforces the significance of the former fact.

Besides, I don't see where your link refers to the great pyramid, the accuracy of measurements, or anything to do with your claims. It simply describes the nature and function of the pyramidion, and states that they are pretty rare.


Your own link disputed that there ever was such a measurement really in use.

Clearly the measurement WAS in use. The dispute was with regards its accuracy.
 
As I said above, the inch was based on the thumb joint. The foot was based on the length of the king's foot. The yard was the length of a stride. A stone was the weight of... a stone.

Posted within a minute of each other - we overlapped ;)

I heard that the yard was a roman measurement, based on the length of stride. I never knew that the inch was related to the thumb-joint though! :)
 
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