Advice on using Protein Shake :)

Chong Warrior said:
Yeah, it's a never ending learning process this you know ;) that post was six months ago now mate...

No big deal, loads of people still swear by flaxseed and it's still a great source of fibre. Saying it's crap is my personal opinion on it as a source of healthy fats like Omega-3... for this it IS crap.

Try to limit the chances of it going rancid by storing it in the fridge as soon as you open it, wether they're good or bad will depend on how quickly they packaged the flax powder.
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lol cheers for the help. 6 months! ******* hell didnt know it was that long.

im just gonna start working out every day for 2 months before i go to newquay. Hopefully i will hve put on a fair amount of muscle and weight by then :D

cant workout yet though as i have a hairline fracture in my wrist lol
 
salami1212 said:
lol cheers for the help. 6 months! ******* hell didnt know it was that long.

im just gonna start working out every day for 2 months before i go to newquay. Hopefully i will hve put on a fair amount of muscle and weight by then :D

cant workout yet though as i have a hairline fracture in my wrist lol
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Just remember rest is just as important as working out for building muscle
 
There seems to be some conflicting or unclear advise being given in this thread, which is contrary to my understanding.

Perhaps I can explain my views and if I am wrong I am grateful for any correction.

I have no issue with the suggestions for Pre Work Out shakes etc. but some people think it's OK to take oats with your protein Post Work Out and that's not the best protocol in my view.

Post Work Out the muscles are screaming out for simple sugars and protein, so it's best to have a carb like WMS or Vitargo with either isolate or concentrate. You can add extra items to this like Glutamine, electrolytes and Vit C.

Then 30 - 45 mins later have a meal with balanced amounts of protein, carbs and good fats.

Don't put oats or any fats in your Post Work Out shake, you want the carbs and prtien absorbed ASAP and Oats are a slow release energy source.
 
you really shouldn't take WMS and whey at the same time. I have creapure and WMS straight after, and then whey, oats etc 20 mins after the wms.
 
benjo plz. said:
you really shouldn't take WMS and whey at the same time. I have creapure and WMS straight after, and then whey, oats etc 20 mins after the wms.
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As I understand it, you can take whey at the same time as your carb as long as it's a fast acting whey (Isolate or Hydrolysed). I think the theory is something to do with creating an insulin spike that allows the protein to be absobed more quickly.
 
The Mad Rapper said:
As I understand it, you can take whey at the same time as your carb as long as it's a fast acting whey (Isolate or Hydrolysed). I think the theory is something to do with creating an insulin spike that allows the protein to be absobed more quickly.
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for the perfect person with all the time in the world to prepare and consume perfectly, then WMS immediately PWO followed by whey 15-20 mins later, followed by a decent proper meal.
But, most people cannot do that, so whey and WMS together is an option, how much difference it really makes by having it separate im not sure, but i would bet its not really that much difference in the grand scheme of things.
 
The Mad Rapper said:
As I understand it, you can take whey at the same time as your carb as long as it's a fast acting whey (Isolate or Hydrolysed). I think the theory is something to do with creating an insulin spike that allows the protein to be absobed more quickly.
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That's basically how it works, it improves the uptake, so there is less protein wastage.

Wonder if that guy was still making amazing gains. He must look massive by now. 5 months, at about 7lbs a month, that'd be two and a half stone of pure muscle, not too shabby! :rolleyes:
 
The Mad Rapper said:
As I understand it, you can take whey at the same time as your carb as long as it's a fast acting whey (Isolate or Hydrolysed). I think the theory is something to do with creating an insulin spike that allows the protein to be absobed more quickly.
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nope, definitely not isolate, it will still slowdown the WMS uptake, you might as well be using dextrose. Hydro should be fine though. I think you're confusing protein with mono?
 
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Hi. Im just wondering. Ill be taking 2 shakes a day, should I do one in the morning with oats etc and one straight after my workout with no oats. Or should I take the shake 1-2 hours before I workout then the 1 afterwards?Cheers
 
I love reading these threads - they bring me much joy :D

I owe my size directly to protein shakes, and a couple of lacksadaisical weights sessions, lots of beer, late nights, a bad diet :p

I <3 my genetics at times - I feel sorry for skinny people you've got your work cut out :( Keep at it, you'll get there, it'll be worth it. :)
 
salami1212 said:
Hi. Im just wondering. Ill be taking 2 shakes a day, should I do one in the morning with oats etc and one straight after my workout with no oats. Or should I take the shake 1-2 hours before I workout then the 1 afterwards?Cheers
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See how you do without them first.

If you diet is in good order, I'd leave it to one post workout and one before bed.
 
the only time i could really say its worthwhile would be post workout.
i have more shakes than most, but that is out of pure laziness tbh :]
 
benjo plz. said:
nope, definitely not isolate, it will still slowdown the WMS uptake, you might as well be using dextrose. Hydro should be fine though. I think you're confusing protein with mono?
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Isolate will not *significantly* slow down the absorbtion of WMS at all. If it did, then MP would not make this would they?

I am definately not confusing protein with creatine! :p
 
Shakes are no real substitute for proper food, but they do have their place, especially during a bulk as Bison has pointed out.

Personally, I have one Post Work Out and one for breakfast. The PWO shake is Maximuscle Recovermax ATM until my new MP order arrives. The breakfast shake is 75G Oats, 25G Reflex Instant Whey (choc mint - yum!), a tablespoon of peanut butter, followed by 2 CLA gels and 2 Omega 3 gels.

I usually have a pot of cottage cheese mid-afternoon, and Quark and Options before bed.

I worked that out as 210G protein a day which is perfect for my weight (including my lunch and dinner meals as well).
 
The Mad Rapper said:
Isolate will not *significantly* slow down the absorbtion of WMS at all. If it did, then MP would not make this would they?

I am definately not confusing protein with creatine! :p
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yes it does (you really think there's *that* much difference between wpi 90% and wpc 80%?). Just because MP sell RXS doesn't prove anything :confused:; i'm fairly sure no-one would buy wms + hydro as it would be too expensive.

well then I'm confused about the protein transport to muscles being improved by an insulin spike?
 
benjo plz. said:
yes it does (you really think there's *that* much difference between wpi 90% and wpc 80%?). Just because MP sell RXS doesn't prove anything :confused:; i'm fairly sure no-one would buy wms + hydro as it would be too expensive.

well then I'm confused about the protein transport to muscles being improved by an insulin spike?
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I am no scientist, I'm simply repeating what I've read posted on BB forums by people I trust and who know far more about food and what the body does with it than I ever shall.

Isolate is absorbed faster than concentrate from what I've read, although how much faster this occurs I have no idea.

The principle of taking protein and carbs at the same time is a sound one, if the carb is faster acting than the protein then that is a good thing - as it means the carb will be replacing muscle glycogen and the protein won't be subject to glycogenosis but will instead be sent to the muscles to do it's work.
 
The Mad Rapper said:
The principle of taking protein and carbs at the same time is a sound one, if the carb is faster acting than the protein then that is a good thing - as it means the carb will be replacing muscle glycogen and the protein won't be subject to glycogenosis but will instead be sent to the muscles to do it's work.
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That's sort of true, glycogenosis has nothing to do with it though. It's also completely different to what you said before.
The Mad Rapper said:
I think the theory is something to do with creating an insulin spike that allows the protein to be absobed more quickly.
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