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Turns out we've had GT200 all along - the 9800GX2

Mr Paul said:
There were changes to the core from R600 to RV670.
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changes that saw no real performance benefit over the 2900xt, main use was to reduce power consumption.

G92 however ended up outperforming the 8800gts 320 and 640mb variants at the same time reducing power consumption. thats how a real tweak to an architecture should be. anything more and you shoudl expect an complete overhall.
 
LoadsaMoney said:
No its not exactly the same, like for like as you say, what they did do though, was take that 8800, shrank it down, cut its bus, cut its memory, then added a few more texture units, which imo, does not make it new tech, otherwise the 3870's would be new tech as they have had Dx10.1 added, but they aint, they are now 2900's that can now do Dx10.1. :D
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who said anything about it being new tech? all i said was there there is architectural changes between g80 and g92 and its not just the die shrink, which you are saying between the 9800gtx and 8800gtx there is no architectural changes and it was just a shrink.
 
I know its not just the die shrink as i said above, i meant the 9800 GTX is an 8800 as they are the same tech, not the exact same cards, i just didn't put it right. :p
 
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If this GT200 is supposed to be "entirely new architecture" (according to what i've read on numerous news sites), then how can it essentially be two G92's bolted together (according to other rumours)?
 
now for the last few weeks you have been saying that the 9800gtx is a 100% replica of the 8800gts 512mb, and that i agree with you. 9800gtx is just overclocked version of a 8800gts 512 (g92).

LoadsaMoney said:
I know its not just the die shrink, i meant the 9800 GTX is an 8800 as they are the same tech, not the exact same cards, i just didn't put it right. :p
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if you know its not just a die shrink then why did you make this statement here:

They aint stepped back though, the 9800 GTX is a G80 GTS, its just on a smaller die, all these cards go back to the same point as they aint moved, which is November 2006.
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the key bit im addressing here is: "the 9800 GTX is a G80 GTS, its just on a smaller die"

now architecturally the g80 and g92 do have enough differences to say that g92 is not just a die shrinkage of G80. using the term "modified G80" would have been more on the right lines. you got to really double check this stuff mate otherwise someone will pick up on it and kick up a fuss, usually willhub is on the prowl for this sort of stuff.
 
Cyber-Mav said:
ahh so you wernt intentionally trying to give out blag information to everyone on the forum :confused:
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I fairness your both giving out bad information, neithers card are just die shrinks, if G92 was just a die shrink with increased clock speeds it would be allot faster then it correctly is, same can't be said for R670.

LoadsaMoney said:
They aint stepped back though, the 9800 GTX is a G80 GTS, its just on a smaller die, all these cards go back to the same point as they aint moved, which is November 2006
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Cyber-Mav said:
not exactly the same tech since there have been architectural changes. a like for like die shrink is what happened with the hd38 series of cards, where they went straight to a lower process without any alterations to the core.

nvidia atleast did make some changes to the core.
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one thing i always wonder about, g92 being a stripped down version of g80 as you say, i really wonder how the performance of a 9800gtx would be compared to a 8800gtx if both had a 384bit memory interface and same speed ram.
 
Cyber-Mav said:
one thing i always wonder about, g92 being a stripped down version of g80 as you say, i really wonder how the performance of a 9800gtx would be compared to a 8800gtx if both had a 384bit memory interface and same speed ram.
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Hard to say really, the only ones that could are 8800Ultra users with monster overclocks, the only other examples we have are using 3dmark so there completely useless, but it would easily wipe the floor with the 9800GTX, imagine an 8800GTX/Ultra at 675/1667/2200 with a 384bit but, 24rops and 768mb of memory with potential for 800/2000/2400 overclock. /drools

I get the feeling nvidia just looked at early results from R600 and completely changed their plans for the 9 series, theres no way they would have released G92 as it is had there been decent competition. :(
 
They would have released G92 still, as its the refresh, it just would have appeared earlier than it did, like it was supposed to do around June/July 2007, but it got pushed back due to no competition for their 8800's, which we still don't have today in May 2008, the 3870 X2 is not better than GTX imo, as its 2x cores, and only betters it in games that are Crossfire supported so it uses those 2x cores, games that are not, then it runs as a single 3870, which everyone knows the 8800 GTX absolutley slaughters. :)
 
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Shocky-FM said:
Refreshes are usually faster though, not slower, had there been competition we would have seen a real refresh and not a stipped down G80.
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Yeah thats true, i think if Nvidia had competition for their 8800's, then the 9800's would have come out on time, and been faster, and if the competition kept coming, then these upcoming 9900's would have probably appeared long before now to, we would probably have had the next gen now as well, but with there being no competition, its just all slowed and died a death, and it doesn't look like picking up anytime soon if they are now going to double up their old 8800 tech, as they musn't think much of the upcoming R700's. :(
 
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Shocky-FM said:
I get the feeling nvidia just looked at early results from R600 and completely changed their plans for the 9 series, theres no way they would have released G92 as it is had there been decent competition. :(
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That how it seem's to me. But i think they have to push somthing great out of the door now, or ATI will bring them down and intel will make mince meat out of whats left of there market share.
 
Why don't they push something great out the door then, all i can see is, 2x cards linked in SLi being moved onto a 1x chip single card, will save space and money i suppose if nowt else. :D
 
thegoonden said:
Why bother?
Still no competition.
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Actually when you think about it, its not, well not imo, as if they were to sling out an all new amazing card, it would sell in droves, make them millions, and be bye, bye ATi, as everyone would be buying it up, but they don't want rid of ATi, so when ATi don't compete, they just sit back allowing them to catch up till they can, then they move forward, and so we start again, the cycle continues, as its all about keeping ATi, that is all. :)
 
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