Channel 4 - "In God's name"

do_ron_ron said:
The Christian fundamentalist disease is spreading from America to here. 4000 yr old Earth? As oil, gas, coal takes millions of years to form, I wonder what their take on that is?

Also in the prog. it revealed that they were also a nasty bunch of racists.
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The irony of it was that they were no different than Muslim fundamentalists.
 
Slinwagh said:
In a simplistic way does evolution not disprove creationism?
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No.
Evolution disproves the fundamental idea that all creatures were created in their present forms. It doesn't disprove the idea that the universe was brought in to being by the hand of god which, fundamentally is what creationism tells us.

It depends on whether you wish to argue the bible being used as a definitive text or whether it's open to interpretation. Please remember that the bible only mentions our world, as at the time it was compiled there was no understanding of the universe outside of the middle east.
 
It doesn't actually indicate in the Bible anything about a time scale in which things were done. Clearly these fundamentalists are those ones who think it says somewhere in the Bible about Jesus being born on the 25th December also :rolleyes:
 
do_ron_ron said:
The Christian fundamentalist disease is spreading from America to here. 4000 yr old Earth? As oil, gas, coal takes millions of years to form, I wonder what their take on that is?
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I don't know for certain, not having a pet creationist to ask but I'd guess that the argument goes that god provided them ready formed knowing that we would need such fuels.

It is of course possible that a deity is altering the results of all carbon dating as we go to provide a consistent basis for science, the World really is ~6,000 years old and the deity just keeps doing it for the fun of it. Highly unlikely in the extreme and not worthy of much consideration (principally because it is entirely irrelevant to most peoples lives) but it is a possibility and wouldn't ruin science as a predictive tool.
 
ScoobyDoo69 said:
It doesn't actually indicate in the Bible anything about a time scale in which things were done. Clearly these fundamentalists are those ones who think it says somewhere in the Bible about Jesus being born on the 25th December also :rolleyes:
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I thought God sorted everything out in 5 days, plus time and half on Saturday, Sunday he went rollin' with his ho's.
 
miracleboy said:
Just reading about creationism - and read this scary fact;



In other words, the majority of people in the US believe we we created within the last 10,000 years - that is seriously worrying in view of the proven scientific evidence to the contrary.
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Really? Science can prove that humans werent created by a supernatural being at some point in the recent past?

Could you cite this proof please?
 
miracleboy said:
I just don't understand under what circumstances everyone thought this man would be a good candidate to run the most powerful country in the world, based on the fact he cannot make a common sense judgement about humanity - his judgement must be deemed to be suspect in general.
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This is America. To many of those people, the discovery of fire was a recent event.
 
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You really believe man was created at once /as is/ ? I'm not saying it's impossible for that to have happened but with today's research and developments into understanding our place in the universe (and possibly even multiverse) it's just highly unlikely don't you think :p

The scales are moving to the other side as time goes on and new research brings new findings.

In the past everyone was on the side of religion whereas over time it's become weaker and more people are moving in the direction of evidence/science over faith.
We didn't have religious extremism until recent years did we? - why now and not in the past ?

People are afraid of losing religion and wherever there is fear it will spawn lots of badness in the process!
 
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mrk said:
You really believe man was created at once /as is/ ? I'm not saying it's impossible for that to have happened but with today's research and developments into understanding our place in the universe (and possibly even multiverse) it's just highly unlikely don't you think :p
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Perhaps, but its not impossible.

And if there is even a 0.000000001% possibility then one cannot claim that science has 'proven' anything.
 
penski said:
Okay, I got one word to ask you, a one word question, ready?

"Uh-huh."

Dinosaurs. You know the world is 12,000 years old and dinosaurs existed, they existed in that time, you'd think it would have been mentioned in the ****ing Bible at some point.

"And lo Jesus and the disciples walked to Nazareth. But the trail was blocked by a giant brontosaurus... with a splinter in his paw. And O the disciples did run a shriekin': 'What a big ****ing lizard, Lord!' But Jesus was unafraid and he took the splinter from the brontosaurus's paw and the big lizard became his friend."

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Well actually the word 'dinosaur' was only made in the last few hundred years I believe. And if I can remember correctly, the bible does mention 'beasts' or similar words.
 
Inazuma said:
Well actually the word 'dinosaur' was only made in the last few hundred years I believe. And if I can remember correctly, the bible does mention 'beasts' or similar words.
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Coined in the 1830s if I recall my etymology correctly...

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