Letting Agency Stole Our Money!

First I have heard of this. Do you have first hand experience of it?



And: Check? Loses? Hardly professional, aren't they now?! /rolleyes

Its compulsory I believe, government thing to help try to protect tenants from exactly this situation. They hold the money and if there is any dispute they form an independant judge.

Our deposit for student accomodation for the next year is held in one and I've been looking at some of the information. There's also a slight bonus in that they pay interest on the deposits :p Only like 2% but more than the 0% we'd normally get with it sitting in the landlords bank.

Edit: http://www.depositprotection.com/Public/FAQs.aspx
 
My current deposit for university managed accommodation is in a DPS (deposit protection scheme). I have heard bad stories about universities trying to rip students off via deposits. Ours has some comical charges like £90 for failing to defrost a freezer properly.

Agreed, at least its not in the landlords pocket... I wouldn't trust our fourteen stone landlord as far as I could throw him
 
From what I've been told from my mate (who works with tenancy law), deposit protection is compulsory, and in the event of a dispute, the penalty for discovery of the rent not being protected allows the tenants to sue for up to 3 times their deposit amount. :cool:

On another note, they replied :)
Thanks for the confirmation, as you are aware the cleaning was done. I think we will have to agree to disagree.
My reply:
Rashid,

Hmm yeah “the cleaning was done” alright, by us, not by any professional cleaners (I love how you chose your words so carefully as to avoid explicitly lying). I remember us spending hours and hours cleaning that place, and the fact that you had to fabricate your own cleaner’s invoice speaks for itself. Even weeks after this supposed cleaning took place you didn’t have an explanation for me when I was physically in your office asking for my money back. At the time you didn’t have a receipt either, let alone this doctored piece of rubbish you call an “invoice”, whose fax date by the way preceded by over a week the day I was in your office asking for this exact document. Strange eh?

Regardless of us having photographic evidence that specifically contradicts some of the claims made, (such as the sink being left “dirty” and “full of food”). I later learned that our landlord had no involvement in the inspection process whatsoever, so in his eyes, we (the tenants) were the liars, and in our eyes, he was the liar, because nobody would have suspected the “Professional Letting Agent” Broadway & West to tell any lies right? Right, so that’s manipulation & misplaced trust to the list we add shall we?

Just because you say the [professional] cleaning was done does not make it so. The fact that you failed to prove your point in COURT, of all places, only confirms my suspicions further. So you supposedly managed to get these “professional cleaners” to send you a “professional invoice” in a weeks’ notice, but when it actually came down to a court summons, you couldn’t find anyone to send you a letter in over 30 days! Would this be perhaps because I was right all along and you know it? This tells me more about your company than anything else.

The fact that you initially wanted £90 but decided to be greedy and go for £250 but was too lazy to forge a new clean invoice also confirmed my suspicions. Seriously though, did you honestly think your “oh yeah the professional cleaners had to come and clean the place but their first professional clean wasn’t professional enough so they had to come back and do a bit more professional cleaning so we charged the old tenants twice” story would have worked? If £90 was the going rate for a “professional cleaning job” in a 3 bed flat, then what on earth was the extra £160 for? Gold Plating?

The sad thing is that I get the impression that you are so used to defrauding innocent people that you have an actual game plan in what to tell each person, thus allowing you to get as far as you did with us (and even further for those who don’t bother chasing you, which I imagine is A LOT). And obviously a big rule in this game plan is “in the event the tenant suspects your motives, simply play dumb and deny deny deny”. I can see straight through your pathetic lies and I pity both you and your future victims.

Let me just leave you with one final question: Out of the £250 that you took from the deposit, you paid back the £200 (eventually) that you owed us. I bet it didn’t even cross your minds to mention to the landlord you still owe him £50 out of all this. Did you pay him? Ahahah, didn’t think so!

Just face it, you are a bunch of money grabbing cowboys trying to squeeze every last quid out of whoever you can, undeterred by little insignificant things such as THE LAW or tenancy rights.

You can say whatever you want (or better yet, nothing) in response to this email, but unless you actually address any specific thing I’ve previously mentioned you will only have proved my point further.

I genuinely wish you all well in the future, because I know some of you will never make it in life through real work. I have no anger for those people, just sympathy.

And why did I spend half an hour writing this pointless email? Because I thought I should just let you know that it made me feel so good to know that whatever I come across or do in later life, I will never be as low as you.

Kind regards,

Charlie

P.S. This whole saga was triggered by a mere £90 and could have been avoided using rational phone conversations (preferably without the childish insults). Instead it had to be taken to court, wasting my time, your time (+ an additional £25) and the court’s time. Meanwhile it provided me with light entertainment and a lesson learned: Never trust a letting agent which had to move their only office rather than expand into 2.
 
Deposit protection is a recent thing and not yet compulsory (afaik), although I do think that it should have been introduced a long time ago and does help both letting agents and tenants an incredible amount.

Not sure about your e-mail though. To me it comes across as childish and pointless :/
 
Not sure about your e-mail though. To me it comes across as childish and pointless :/
Oh it is. There is no point to it whatsoever, I'm merely doing it for my own entertainment at this stage :p

They might be childish but are still fun to write :cool:
 
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I've just signed a student contract for housing next year and the letting agency didn't like the DPS so instead decided to charge a non-refundable one off £95 per person (there are 4 of us) 'admin fee'. They claim its more difficult and time consuming to get your money back from the DPS than if they held onto it.
 
I've just signed a student contract for housing next year and the letting agency didn't like the DPS so instead decided to charge a non-refundable one off £95 per person (there are 4 of us) 'admin fee'. They claim its more difficult and time consuming to get your money back from the DPS than if they held onto it.
lol politely tell them to **** off :p

They want £380 that they are able to keep without you being able to claim back? When that happens, the adviser will be telling you "well you should have insisted on the DPS".

There's a reason why the DPS is in place, the letting agents doing that instead sounds like an absolute joke.

I see that as the equivalent of a burglar asking you through your letterbox to undo all the new locks on your door.


http://www.depositprotection.com/Public/FAQs.aspx said:
Unprotected deposits

What happens if a deposit has not been protected?

Membership of a tenancy deposit scheme will be mandatory to all landlords who take a deposit. Those who take a deposit but don't join an accredited tenancy deposit protection scheme will face the following penalties for non-compliance:
  • b) Fine
    Tenants can apply for a court order requiring the landlord to safeguard the deposit and supply the prescribed information about the scheme in which it is held, or to return the deposit to the tenant(s). Where the court believes the landlord has failed to comply with these requirements, or the deposit is not being held in an authorised scheme, the court will order the landlord to either repay the deposit within 14 days, or pay the deposit into a scheme. The court will also fine the landlord three times the deposit amount, payable to the tenant within 14 days.
 
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I've just signed a student contract for housing next year and the letting agency didn't like the DPS so instead decided to charge a non-refundable one off £95 per person (there are 4 of us) 'admin fee'. They claim its more difficult and time consuming to get your money back from the DPS than if they held onto it.

Bingo.
A loophole.
Landlords now have the opportunity to get creative. I do find it amusing that a lot of potential tennants think they are protected when landlords are free to find work arounds. But as this legislation is new, eventually the best method to exploit the loophole will be found and will become the method of choice to exploit the loophole.

From what I can see, deposit protection is now compulsory, however, details seem sketchy. Even google cannot confirm the "complusory" part.

What I have found is:

"The legislation covers virtually all new AST contracts through which private landlords let property in England and Wales.

However, the following will not need to be registered with a tenancy deposit protection scheme:

resident landlords (those living in the property)
landlords of properties with rent of over £25,000 a year
company lets
student accommodation let directly by universities or colleges.

Deposits taken before 6 April 2007 do not need to be protected by a scheme such as The DPS. "
Perhaps someone who has recently taken out a tennancy agreement can shed light if their deposit is held by the landlord or by another (impartial) party?
 
lol politely tell them to **** off :p

They want £380 that they are able to keep without you being able to claim back?


I think you are confused.

First off, the landlord in NickM's case, is not charging a "desposit". They are charging a "admin fee". If they charged a deposit, then yes, they might be liable to be in the DPS, however, as no deposit has been paid, no DPS is necessary.

In fact, they could've charged them a £1M admin fee, but then nobody would rent the units, hence, they have to think about the amount of money they need to recover. They have calculated this to be £95. The potential tennant now has the option to take up the offer, or look elsewhere. No one is putting a gun to the tennant's head to sign the agreement or rent the unit.

This is how large companies and rich individuals beat up on the poor, financially. Such is life.
 
Perhaps someone who has recently taken out a tennancy agreement can shed light if their deposit is held by the landlord or by another (impartial) party?
Our landlords are using DPS for our tenancy agreement next year, and we're also using DPS for the deposit on the house my family rents out :)

As for why I'm in another house when I also part-own one in the same city....I don't want to live with my sis :D
 
We have actually just signed our tenancy agreement again. This will be the second year they will be using the DPS. The deposit itself is paid by us to the letting agency, who then pay it into the DPS, which is currently run by these people.
 
I think you are confused.

First off, the landlord in NickM's case, is not charging a "desposit". They are charging a "admin fee". If they charged a deposit, then yes, they might be liable to be in the DPS, however, as no deposit has been paid, no DPS is necessary.
But am I right in thinking that this letting agent is using the term "admin fee" as the actual way of obtaining an "unofficial" deposit from the tenants, and then simply promising to pay them back again in due course?

If this were to happen, on paper it would look like the tenants agreed to pay a really high admin fee and when it came down to having their deposits given back, the letting agent could easily say "deposit? what deposit? you only paid us admin fees remember?" And as there will be no paperwork concerning a deposit, the tenants would be royally screwed.

Also in this situation the court would rule in the letting agent's favour, and so yet again, tenants would end up being the ones who lose their whole deposit, because they didn't insist on DPS in the first place.

EDIT: That was all I'm saying. Which is why I'm saying NickM should have told the letting agent to gtfo with that rubbish and stick with DPS
 
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Deposit protection is a recent thing and not yet compulsory (afaik), although I do think that it should have been introduced a long time ago and does help both letting agents and tenants an incredible amount.

Not sure about your e-mail though. To me it comes across as childish and pointless :/

the DPS is compulsory in my understanding

edit. just to make it clear, thats only on new agreements since the DPS started, not on previous agreements
 
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But am I right in thinking that this letting agent is using the term "admin fee" as the actual way of obtaining an "unofficial" deposit from the tenants, and then simply promising to pay them back again in due course?
No, they just said they would take this INSTEAD of a deposit and we wouldn't be getting it back but we would not be charged any extra for reasonable wear and tear/damage/replacements.

edit: We didn't really have much choice because we left getting a house rather late and we just thought we might as well go with this.
 
its the PRINCIPLE DAMMIT! :p


I did the right thing, right? I mean surely, should I submit this to moneyclaim online, they don't have a hope in hell of winning, right?

Bunch of ******* :mad:

Haha, principles...!! Hahahaha, you have done the wrong thing, you should report this possible fraud to the authorities not try and blackmail them!
 
No, they just said they would take this INSTEAD of a deposit and we wouldn't be getting it back but we would not be charged any extra for reasonable wear and tear/damage/replacements.

edit: We didn't really have much choice because we left getting a house rather late and we just thought we might as well go with this.
So what they're saying is that they will assume you will damage the property and take money from you whether you actually damage the property or not. So in essence what they've told you is "we can't be bothered to use DPS, so we're just going to take a sizeable chunk of your deposit money and simply keep it instead" Is that the jist of it? :confused:

Haha, principles...!! Hahahaha, you have done the wrong thing, you should report this possible fraud to the authorities not try and blackmail them!
Uhh ok mate "possible fraud" rather than "actual fraud"... "blackmail" rather than "taking to small claims court"... I see where your bias clearly lies... Please take your trolling elsewhere :rolleyes:
 
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