Define the 'Modern Era'...
(and no silly buggers making comments about the new Zetec-powered ERA replicas...I'm looking at you, JRS)
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2008 Monaco GP - Race 6/18
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How many times did he do this?
At the end of the day, Hamilton is in a McLaren and doing the best job he can, against the competition put before him.
We could argue that given that Ferrari have the best car, Hamilton doesnt deserve to be leading the WDC.
Its almost as if some people want him to move to a crap team just to prove himself. I remember when MS did this and made Ferrari great, it still didnt convince his doubters of just how good he was. It was his achievement at Ferrari that leads me to believe he was the most complete driver in F1, ever.
For the record, Senna would never have willingly moved over to a lesser team than he was currently at, just to prove himself (like MS did). He was incredibly disloyal and wanted to move to the best car available to him - even if it meant coming on national TV and saying that he wanted to move away from McLaren, to Williams and was willing to do this for free. I dont think any driver in the history of F1 has ever done this.
He was ruthless and wanted to win at all costs, even if it meant kicking McLaren in the teeth when they were down.
Ooops. I meant post 1970s.
2 races in 3 years? Hamilton has had only 18 months and has achieved 2nd place (WDC, 2007) in his first year and is leading the current WDC.
Round1 - Senna spun it, under pressure from MS.
Round2 - Senna was clattered from behind. Fair enough, not his fault.
Round3 - Senna went off, under pressure from MS.
3 races, Senna (0pts), MS (30pts).
I would say that was pretty crushing. In 3 races I dont understand how more crushed you could get
I think we have had this argument before. D. Hill only caught MS because MS was banned for 3 races and had his race win taken away from him. In effect he had 40pts taken away from him, which brought D.Hill into play. Had the ban not happened, then MS wouldve won the title by 40pts plus.
I actually like DC rather more since he left McLaren. He's a bit more realistic about his own talent now.
agreed, he seems content to be mr mediocre, not being the worst driver in F1, but not being up with the top of the pack either.
6 Wins for Lotus, the last two of which were up against the Williams FW11B which despite having the same engine was far quicker and had far better fuel economy than the Lotus 99T.
He took six podiums in 1985, winning twice. Those wins included the horrendously wet race at Estoril which saw him finish over a minute ahead of Alboreto's Ferrari. And the Ferrari was a damned good car that year (he led the championship for much of the season). 1986 - he beat Mansell by inches in Spain in a closely fought race, and Mansell as I'm sure we're all aware on here would have taken the title that year without the tyre blowout in Adelaide. And he took two wins on the trot in '87 despite the car being somewhat inferior as the Williams.
Something he shared with a certain Mr Fangio. And I don't hear anyone vilifying Fangio for it.
Because they were cheating.
A great recent read from pitpass...
http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_news_item.php?fes_art_id=34932
Round1 - Senna spun it, under pressure from MS.
Round2 - Senna was clattered from behind. Fair enough, not his fault.
Round3 - Senna went off, under pressure from MS.
3 races, Senna (0pts), MS (30pts).
I would say that was pretty crushing. In 3 races I dont understand how more crushed you could get
Its always hard to beat a team with an unfair advantage.
Dodgy Traction control, No fuel hose filter, running the car too low.
The fact remains that pretty much no-one, even those who got to see Fangio race live as opposed to on tapes, moans about the fact that he chopped and changed teams looking for the best drive. Initially it was Alfa, then Maserati, then Mercedes, then Ferrari, then back to Maserati again. And that's just in Grand Prix racing, that doesn't count what he raced in sports cars and the like.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...eauty-queen-love-Vivian--Pussycat-Nicole.html
LMAO
Hamilton is involved in a love triangle... seems that all these girls he's been partying with recently want to make something of it now that he won Monaco
LMAO
Hamilton is involved in a love triangle... seems that all these girls he's been partying with recently want to make something of it now that he won Monaco
Doesn't surprise me, I would shag any beautiful girl that wants to be with me, especially Pussycat Dolls and Miss Grenada
Come to think of it, it would make a nice threesome
Hamilton lost more due to the 2nd safety car than he ever gained due to the first, and he still won - so surely it was his pace with a heavy car that won him the race (although the weight potentially helped him on a difficult wet/damp track where it would have hindered him on a dry one)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...eauty-queen-love-Vivian--Pussycat-Nicole.html
LMAO
Hamilton is involved in a love triangle... seems that all these girls he's been partying with recently want to make something of it now that he won Monaco
Geez both are rough, the beauty queen looks like she could possibly have been a man. Hope she's post op, or hamilton will have trouble sitting in the car.
I cant help but agree with that, though I would add Prost to that top step with Senna...
Hamilton has great potential, but at the moment I personally dont see him any different than D. Hill - both captured the British publics attention especially when F1 had been a mediocre spectacle. Perhaps my viewpoint will change, but Ive seen him drive since GP2 so it will probably be something that happens after his F1 career...
Has Hamilton ever had to drive a relative uncompetitive car in his motorsport career like Senna and Schumacher had to? Its easy to be a very good driver in a great car - just doesnt make you great...
ps3ud0
Its just as easy to win if you are cheating (just like Benetton and Ferrari did) but people still think Schumacher is GOD
Yeah, but by that point he was ahead with all pitstops out of the way. The first safety car was far more harmful to Massa's and Kubica's chances of winning than the second one ever was for Hamilton.
Another (slightly) interesting comparison to last year, and an indication of just what consistency will do for you:
After round six in 2007, Hamilton had scored a third, four second place finishes and a win. Now, I'm no arithmetical genius but I make that worth 48 points. This year, after round six he only has 38 points. He hasn't had anything like the consistent pointy-end performance that he had for most of last season. He should probably go away and find it before the Canadian race rolls around if he wants to win the title this year.
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I just hope we don't have another ridiculous Canadian GP, the saftey car/pit lane closures last year ignited yet more "F1 is run by clowns" flames.
Or the other way to llook at it, is that his accident was at the start of the race, therefore not allowing Kubica or Massa too far ahead, his blistering form in the middle section would have made up for it while they where fighting each other - it made little difference
Correct. McLaren made a very good choice in loading his car up with fuel on that first emergency pit stop. A heavier car handles better in wet conditions. And is less prone to aqua plane.