Induction kit

Jonners · 28 May 2008 at 19:31

It's all about the RROD on 1.2 Ecotec's

No Cold Air Feed yet

thepharcyde · 28 May 2008 at 19:32

Biohazard said:
I wouldn't want to use a second hand air filter on my car to save a couple of pennies.

Worth paying for new surely?

K&N's are guaranteed for life, just need a re oil occasionally

Lopéz · 28 May 2008 at 19:35

Biohazard said:
I wouldn't want to use a second hand air filter on my car to save a couple of pennies.

Worth paying for new surely?

Not really, K&N filters for one have a million mile warranty.

Toker · 28 May 2008 at 19:40

open air filters such as cone filter without cold air feeds (and sometimes with) get heat soak from the engine and result in a loss of power after booting it.

As for green panel filters being compared to an OEM one, whereas the K&N one being better, WTF!!!

green and bmc panel filters are regarded as the best you can buy.

Man I'm pulling out this argument, people need to do more research

thepharcyde · 28 May 2008 at 19:41

Toker said:
open air filters such as cone filter without cold air feeds (and sometimes with) get heat soak from the engine and result in a loss of power after booting it.

As for green panel filters being compared to an OEM one, whereas the K&N one being better, WTF!!!

green and bmc panel filters are regarded as the best you can buy.

Man I'm pulling out this argument, people need to do more research

They only bog down from stationary. I never really felt this though.

loltim · 28 May 2008 at 19:42

Toker said:
Man I'm pulling out this argument, people need to do more research

No you do. K&N's don't filter as well as a cotton or paper filter would, so a lot less restrictive. Depends what your idea of "better" is.

Lopéz · 28 May 2008 at 19:44

Toker said:
open air filters such as cone filter without cold air feeds (and sometimes with) get heat soak from the engine and result in a loss of power after booting it.

Heat soak on an NA car in particular is negligable and the effect vanishes as soon as cool air enters the bay (ie as soon as you start moving)

thepharcyde · 28 May 2008 at 19:45

If you get one for the Focus, remove the heat/sound proofing underneath the bonnet (if it has it) and get an air deflector too.

Toker · 28 May 2008 at 19:46

it filters less, which would be a concern to someone who knows its purpose and gives no measurable gains, plus while filtering less it spews oil on to the MAF sensor. Bargain.

Clarkey · 28 May 2008 at 19:54

B series Civics don't have MAF sensors

thepharcyde · 28 May 2008 at 19:54

Toker said:
it filters less, which would be a concern to someone who knows its purpose and gives no measurable gains, plus while filtering less it spews oil on to the MAF sensor. Bargain.

Only if applied by a chimp?

loltim · 28 May 2008 at 19:55

Clarkey said:
B series Civics don't have MAF sensors

..only real cars have them apparently.

Toker · 28 May 2008 at 19:55

thepharcyde said:
Only if applied by a chimp?

the person installing it makes it an over-oiled filter? I always thought that was the manufacturers...oh well.

Tom|Nbk · 28 May 2008 at 19:55

Toker said:
open air filters such as cone filter without cold air feeds (and sometimes with) get heat soak from the engine and result in a loss of power after booting it.

As for green panel filters being compared to an OEM one, whereas the K&N one being better, WTF!!!

green and bmc panel filters are regarded as the best you can buy.

Man I'm pulling out this argument, people need to do more research

The general consensus is not a lot of heat soak on something like a Focus 1.6 purely because the engine doesn't exactly put out a ton of heat.

Tom|Nbk · 28 May 2008 at 19:57

Toker said:
it filters less, which would be a concern to someone who knows its purpose and gives no measurable gains, plus while filtering less it spews oil on to the MAF sensor. Bargain.

I don't have a MAF

Toker · 28 May 2008 at 19:57

Clarkey said:
B series Civics don't have MAF sensors

well they have air boxes and throttle bodies surely, poor filtering = crap in air box and in turn throttle body

Toker · 28 May 2008 at 20:00

Tom|Nbk said:
The general consensus is not a lot of heat soak on something like a Focus 1.6 purely because the engine doesn't exactly put out a ton of heat.

but there will still be some to a degree, so if you must go down the induction kit route, an enclosed induction kit like the bmc cda will always be the best option. Unless you only care about getting a chavvy noise, where the k&n comes in to its own

thepharcyde · 28 May 2008 at 20:01

Tom|Nbk said:
I don't have a MAF

Do you not? never knew that ST did

Bear · 28 May 2008 at 20:01

I'd go for an Apexi

loltim · 28 May 2008 at 20:02

Toker said:
but there will still be some to a degree, so if you must go down the induction kit route, an enclosed induction kit like the bmc cda will always be the best option. Unless you only care about getting a chavvy noise, where the k&n comes in to its own

K&N stick their filters in GruppeM induction kits. Same with Mugen.