He know's it's a theory, but one thing athiests use to discredit creationists is the big bang theory, so it's kind of ironic that it takes just as much faith to beleive that.
Poll: Who believes in God?
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He know's it's a theory, but one thing athiests use to discredit creationists is the big bang theory, so it's kind of ironic that it takes just as much faith to beleive that.
You have no place in this thread if you do not understand belief.
The difference is that most atheists would accept a different explanation if it seemed more plausible.
I'm agnostic anyway, I don't have a clue about the real truth, like everyone else on the planet no matter what else they try and convince themselves.
Most people are open to being shown to be wrong. But when they already have a belief in place, it would usually take proof for them to accept otherwise.
There's no arrogance involved in the matter, simple fact is where the given topic is subjective, there will be many varying beliefs, with everyone naturally thinking they are correct.
what are you on about? blind belief is obviously dangerous, are you saying you have come to that somewhat offensive opinion based on absolutly nothing?
and most people open to possiblities of other things.
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We can argue this for the rest of our lives in this forum, the simple fact being nobody knows whether or not a God exists until they die, so until then just enjoy life!!
Again, you find it offensive because of your beliefs.
Before i answer your question, i'd like you to answer mine. As previously stated, i find the idea of a God offensive.
How have you come to your somewhat offensive opinion?
Yes, but we're not talking about them, we're talking about those that believe something. Keep up.
And how many times are people going to find comments 'offensive'? You bunch of women.
I don't find it offensive because of my beleif, I find it offensive because it's just stupidity to claim your stronger than someone because you think you have a superior beleif.
Yes, but we're not talking about them, we're talking about those that believe something. Keep up.
So am I. Keep up
Can you explain why you think you are stronger than someone who has a belief in God then?
A good friend of mine (we have been bestman at each others weddings etc.) "found God" while being forced to go to church for a few months before he got married about seven years ago. He's not the greatest thinker but i certainly didn't expect him to sink to this and its fair to say i lost some respect for him.
We're still great mates but i choose not to speak to him about this. I also avoid the watery eyed poindexters he met through his church.
I completely fail to see why an educated person with the freedom to govern their own thoughts would buy into a bunch of fairytales in adulthood.
We're still great mates but i choose not to speak to him about this. I also avoid the watery eyed poindexters he met through his church.
I completely fail to see why an educated person with the freedom to govern their own thoughts would buy into a bunch of fairytales in adulthood.
I never saw the point in any religion, it's just believing for the sake of believing.
Religion has always been about control, though in today's liberal society it seems to have lost it's way.
Why is there no option in the poll for "I believe in the force" surely Jedi is as much a viable religion as Christianity or any other faith.
Religion has always been about control, though in today's liberal society it seems to have lost it's way.
Why is there no option in the poll for "I believe in the force" surely Jedi is as much a viable religion as Christianity or any other faith.
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I think you might be misrepresenting here. Some scientists will believe, some will hold no opinion one way or the other. If you want to say that you know what happened before then Big Bang then it comes down to faith because that is the start of our observable Universe and therefore the limit of possible scientific understanding (at present - if you wish to have that caveat). Saying what happened afterwards is usually based on observed evidence and predictions - something science is good at since that is what it is designed for.
Saying that we don't know what happened before is not "faith in unknowing" - it is taking the logical standpoint that without sufficient evidence to make a judgement then one chooses not to do so.
You are making a pretty major assumption here, you assume that god(s) wouldn't exist without mankind. Why would they not? It is somewhat a case of "if a tree falls in the forest...", if we don't exist then does the rest of the World cease to be?
I don't believe in organised religion or the bible. I was brought up as a Catholic, and went to Catholic schools for 13 years. I believe that the bible is a series of parables and should be taken as such, no words from it should be taken literally. I think that it has a lot of things it can teach us about morality and such, but only if you take the book as your own and not the way other people have told you to.
I was never a fan of organised religion anyway, but last Christmas was the breaking point for me. Our priest told a church full of visitors that they would go to hell if they didn't repent for the "sin" of not attending mass every Sunday. He told us that the only true Catholics were the ones who came to mass every week, his whole Christmas day sermon was just a rant about it.
How can he possibly know that God wants people to bow down to him every week and chant the same prayers over and over? Surely, if God does exist, it is enough for him that people believe and treat each other well? A truely loving deity should not need people to congregate and chant about how much they love him, it just doesn't make sense.
I don't know if I believe in God, but if I ever make a decision that I do, then it should be something between us and no-one else.
I was never a fan of organised religion anyway, but last Christmas was the breaking point for me. Our priest told a church full of visitors that they would go to hell if they didn't repent for the "sin" of not attending mass every Sunday. He told us that the only true Catholics were the ones who came to mass every week, his whole Christmas day sermon was just a rant about it.
How can he possibly know that God wants people to bow down to him every week and chant the same prayers over and over? Surely, if God does exist, it is enough for him that people believe and treat each other well? A truely loving deity should not need people to congregate and chant about how much they love him, it just doesn't make sense.
I don't know if I believe in God, but if I ever make a decision that I do, then it should be something between us and no-one else.
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It's my belief that i'm of a stronger mind because I do not rely on a higher deity to answer questions i cannot understand. It is my belief that when presented with a problem, i will not ask a divine being to help me solve it, but i will work harder, faster and stronger within myself to defeat it. It is my belief that sometimes bad things happen, and that there is usually a logical reason for it. If in cases where this obviously cannot be attributed, par example my sister's death from cancer, i will not reduce this event to a Mystical Being having dealt her a bad card, or having decided on her behalf that it "was time".
Further to this, i do not hold the opinion that people who do rely on, or attribute these things to God are wrong. I hold nothing against religious people. As stated i can appreciate why you would believe in a god, i just cannot empathise with it.
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but not all religious people do rely on God in that way, so how can a mere beleif that God exists make them so weak?
Besides surely if you beleive that God exists, you'd be pretty silly not to go to him for help, who better to help you than an almighty god?