Poll: Who believes in God?

Your beliefs

  • I believe in God

    Votes: 135 13.4%
  • I do not believe in God

    Votes: 445 44.1%
  • I used to believe but have lost my faith

    Votes: 42 4.2%
  • I used to disbelieve but have found my faith

    Votes: 7 0.7%
  • I believe there is "something" but not sure what

    Votes: 200 19.8%
  • I'm Agnostic

    Votes: 167 16.6%
  • I believe in multiple deities

    Votes: 13 1.3%

  • Total voters
    1,009
wtfness??

I meant it in the context of reductionism


are you folding yet.......learn by doing...

the truth of science is evidential proof. All science is unproven.

to put it simply

"hell i dont know...i'm just making this up as i go"


p.s. tell me when you cant fold anymore
 
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As Christians, they presumably do not beleive in Zeus, Poseidon, Jupiter, Shiva or many other gods that people either do or have done in the past.

God is god, and it doesn't matter what god is called or not, ultimatley all the "worship" will only go to the one god if there isn't any others.
 
Ditto.
I'm not missing any points I'm listening to your points and suggesting your points are ridiculous, you however are not listening and just spouting nonsensical non evident beliefs.

I haven't stated any beliefs at all. And by your own admission they're non-evident, so why invent them? Or do you mean "without evidence"? Your logic is hard to follow...

You think it's possible for the existence of God to be disproven. I'm telling you that you're wrong.
 
I haven't stated any beliefs at all. And by your own admission they're non-evident, so why invent them? Or do you mean "without evidence"? Your logic is hard to follow...

You think it's possible for the existence of God to be disproven. I'm telling you that you're wrong.

Without proof, well done. Good argument.
 
Get to the point quickly and stop wasting my time, I am supposed to be revising you know lol


why should i tell you something that you learn better by figuring out yourself.

Its a lazy student who expects all the answers to be put on his plate and all he needs to do is memorize them and repeat them in the right order at the exam..

:p
 
??? ehhh

The truth of science isnt its conclusions or discoveries. Its the method.

Take a piece of paper in your hands right now.

fold it in half.

fold it in half again.

do it again...

realised something yet? arrived at the truth yet?

keep folding until you figure it out.
Yeah, folding paper more than 7 times is a mission.
 
I don't know where you get this from, but most of the examples of things like this I've seen have been taken out of the context from which they are written.

The Qu'ran said:
2:191 And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.
 
Erm no, perhaps you can show that there is no more level of understanding below.

But that's my point. Even if there were such a point of ultimate "understanding" it wouldn't really be understanding. It'd just be a huge unified theory, presumably a mathematical one, that predicted the behaviour of everything in the universe. The moment you say that it explains why we're here, or otherwise you take a giant leap of faith.

If it didn't, then by definition it doesn't explain why it is, the way it is. Hence it doesn't explain everything which I said would be a property of such a theory.

You're still assuming that science can explain everything. Maybe it can, I don't know. But this is a faith-based stance with no evidence.
 
I don't know where you get this from, but most of the examples of things like this I've seen have been taken out of the context from which they are written.

The context is pretty self explanatary in the vast majority of them...

The Bible said:
Deuteronomy 22:28-29
If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

Zechariah 14:1-2
Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city.

2 Chronicles 15:12-13
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.

Deuteronomy 22:20-21
But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst.

I could go on, there are loads of them. Equally as many in the muslim texts.

To end on a lighter note....

Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian... (No offense intended btw)

10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.

9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.

8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.

7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!

6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.

5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.

4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."


3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.

2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.

1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.
 
Without proof, well done. Good argument.

Argh! You're getting tangled in a mess of self-referential definitions here. You can't scientifically prove the ability of the scientific method to prove the existence of God. And that's not a typo, but it's what you're asking me to do.

could you read what he is saying very very slowly.


*waits for the penny to drop.

I think I'm fighting a losing battle here...
 
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But that's my point. Even if there were such a point of ultimate "understanding" it wouldn't really be understanding. It'd just be a huge unified theory, presumably a mathematical one, that predicted the behaviour of everything in the universe. The moment you say that it explains why we're here, or otherwise you take a giant leap of faith.



You're still assuming that science can explain everything. Maybe it can, I don't know. But this is a faith-based stance with no evidence.

What do you mean by understanding then? What is there to understand about inanimate physical objects apart from their properties?

This isn't describing human thoughts or subconsciousness.

A lot of the very deep physics is derived from symmetry relations and gauge theory. Its very mathematical stuff (kosher I might add), it gives a deeper understanding about physical phenomenon by simply considering symmetry properties (its abstract I know).

Symmetry in time gives energy conservation. Translation symmetry gives momentum conservation, etc/

sid
 
??? ehhh

The truth of science isnt its conclusions or discoveries. Its the method.

Take a piece of paper in your hands right now.

fold it in half.

fold it in half again.

do it again...

realised something yet? arrived at the truth yet?

keep folding until you figure it out.
6 folds. Dead end. Can't fold it anymore.
 
It is interesting that those of a religious persuasion find it necessary to believe that must be an explanation of why we're here at all.

Is it not possible that there is no ultimate purpose?
 
Yeah, folding paper more than 7 times is a mission.

it is yep though theoretically do-able :D

the point is.. imagine the piece of paper is current scientific knowledge. Each time you fold the piece of paper you are refining said theories about the world. So it changes all the time and you are apparently getting closer to the truth? No that will never happen.
Which is why its an evidential truth.

The concept of a proof which is unprovable does not make any sense. (edit this space to be used for certain disclaimers ;) )

clear enuff Sid ?
 
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The context is pretty self explanatary in the vast majority of them...

see there you go, there taken out of context, and besides which your quoting law books from the old testement, which were replaced by the new covenant. The old testement also says things such as you shouldn't go near a girl when she's on her period or talk to her.
 
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