Nissan GT-R

Tommy B said:
So in other words it isn't fun to drive because the technology is too good and there's no feel of danger or excitement you get with other cars?
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Come back when you have some experience in something other than a 1400 mk5 golf "driver"

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Tommy B said:
I wish you had been a long a month ago when I got absolutely slaughtered for merely saying that I thought the GT-R is overhyped. I still think that is the case, and there is no way in hell it would beat a 997 GT2 round a track. Please quote this, save this, and repeat it back to me in several months time when independent reviewers have actually done fair, cheat free comparisons.

It is fast, yes. Amazing value, yes. Boy racerish, yes. It's still cheap and Japanese and lacks any sort of style. My opinion. The GT2 on the other hand goes like hell, looks stunning, costs a bomb (which is a GOOD thing for any self-respecting supercar producer) and eats children for breakfast.

To the vid above. Exactly. If it can't beat a Ford GT, then what chance does it have against a GT2. A rapist on crack supercar designed for the track?
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the gt2 is an engineering anomoly. you put a nomral person in it and they will die on a B road.

the mass of the car is behind the rear axel. That is UTTERLY mad. If you brake in the corner, the point with the most turning force and leverage i.e. the rear, has the most weight to augment it and encourage a spin.

If you put someone who is not used to a supercar in a gt2 and they go into a corner too hot, they will break mid corner and that is when bad things happen.

The car is mental, but i beat most mortals would go faster round a track in a boxter and a cayman than a gt2.

Over-engineering the GT-R will only enhance its accessibility to mortals.

I love both cars. Im not a chav, but my dream car is still a r34 vspec. I am playstation generation and i think if you cant have pure feminity in a car (ala 619, which sits everyday opposite my house... in someone else's drive) you have to go for pure raw aggression, which the skyline oozes. The GT2 would be lovely, but I know I would have more fun pushing the GT-R, with £40k in my back pocket than trying to avoid spinning a gt2

edit the 619 sits next to a F430. It is a beautiful sight :P Ill try to get photos one day.
 
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mate the sort of people who buy the GT2 are not thinking about what they could have saved :D Unless of course you are a die hard car enthusiast who has been to hell and back just to afford it.

Surely the GTR is taking the whole fun out of the experience, the element of danger and dare? I think the fact any average joe in the GT2 would kill themselves is good to be honest. It makes it a more dangerous, exciting ride. The other thing about the GTR is in 10 year time we will see 20 year old chavs driving an absolute rapist! :)
 
Bear said:
Is that what Tommy B drives ??
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Indeed. But what I drive is irrelevant. Until you sit in a GTR please don't take the mick out of me :p

I've also driven a 525d an F430 and a Cooper S. The latter two on a driving experience day :D
 
Tommy B said:
Indeed. But what I drive is irrelevant. Until you sit in a GTR please don't take the mick out of me :p

I've also driven a 525d an F430 and a Cooper S. The latter two on a driving experience day :D
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I havent sat in a GTR but then I have said absolutely nothing about the car or how it compares to a Porsche, I do drive a Nissan though but it doesnt have any electronic wizardry bar ABS and power steering but its reasonably quick.

I just wanted to know what car that someone that loves the pure seat of the pants driving experience actually drives.
 
Bear said:
I havent sat in a GTR but then I have said absolutely nothing about the car or how it compares to a Porsche, I do drive a Nissan though but it doesnt have any electronic wizardry bar ABS and power steering but its reasonably quick.

I just wanted to know what car that someone that loves the pure seat of the pants driving experience actually drives.
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So in other words, richer people have more of a say in whether or not a super car is good?

It makes no difference. Find another average 19 year old who has a car that has respect from you lot!?
 
Tommy B said:
So in other words, richer people have more of a say in whether or not a super car is good?

It makes no difference. Find another average 19 year old who has a car that has respect from you lot!?
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i think it more about what you have experienced.

Have you ever pegged a rapid car (supercar/caterham/modded beast)? If you havent, then your opinions do not include experience of what you commentate on i.e what you say is imagination rather than knowledge.

That frames how you are received somewhat epecially when you come out of leftfield decrying a very, very good car.
 
While I don't agree this car has been made for the 'playstation generation', I think you guys are dismisisng its influence somewhat. Also, we aren't talking about spotty teenagers here; we are talking about when the playstation generation began back in 1995. Many of the people part of that generation weren't kids back then, and certainly aren't now ;)

Hell, there was even some collaboration between Grand Turismo developer and Nissan as I'm sure most of you know. Not saying it's a big part of anyones decision, but surely you guys can see there are at least some influences present . .
 
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Tommy B said:
So in other words, richer people have more of a say in whether or not a super car is good?

It makes no difference. Find another average 19 year old who has a car that has respect from you lot!?
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No not at all, there are plenty of people that have opinions of cars and thats fair enough as its their opinion. I just wanted to know what car you drove as you made a big thing about driving experience, feel etc. Knowing what you drive has a bearing of what your experiences are.

For instance if you didnt even drive then what have you got in the way of experience to gauge what is great to drive and what isnt. How can someone have a preference if they never even know the difference from one to the other.

As to what car a 19 year old drives and respect. I respect any 19 year old that afford to drive any car no matter what it is if they bought it themselves, even if it is a £50 job. Im not a car snob and I respect the person, not what car they drive.
 
Tommy B said:
So in other words, richer people have more of a say in whether or not a super car is good?

It makes no difference. Find another average 19 year old who has a car that has respect from you lot!?
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I think you maybe missing the point slightly and taking it off into a whole new direction...I urge you not to as its a daft point.

You have just as much entitlement to your view of the cars concerned as anyone else and that goes without saying. However, I suspect people are questioning your view as they see it as a young man regurgitating a selection of other peoples opinions and from the point of very little experience of these types of cars, which possibly devalues your firm views somewhat in peoples eyes. Ironically we are all doing the same thing of course as we have not driven either a 997 GT2 or a GT-R yet, so we are all forming our opinions based on what we are seeing and reading in the press and on the web.

However in a few peoples cases we have actually driven and owned or are about to own the said cars or very similar cars and are perhaps looking at it with a bit more perspective. I actually agree with you about the GT2 vs the GT-R, but I think the decision between the two cars is very subjective and will change based on your outlook, experience and needs. Doesn't make my opinion in any way more important than yours, or anyone else's but they are opinions perhaps with a little more perspective, though still an opinion formed on what I think not what I know for sure, or formed from driving either, though I should put that right sometime this year :D
 
AtomicBanana said:
While I don't agree this car has been made for the 'playstation generation', I think you guys are dismisisng its influence somewhat. Also, we aren't talking about spotty teenagers here; we are talking about when the playstation generation began back in 1995. Many of the people part of that generation weren't kids back then, and certainly aren't now ;)

Hell, there was even some collaboration between Grand Turismo developer and Nissan as I'm sure most of you know. Not saying it's a big part of anyones decision, but surely you guys can see there are at least some influences present . .
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I am the Sinclair Spectrum generation....

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No, just no!
 
Snax, Bear and housemaster have hit the nail on the head. If Tommy B had asked why I chose the GT-R, or why I even chose it over the R8, I would have gladly informed him. All I've heard so far is "chavs", "no class", a very strange retort concerning the fuel economy of cars like this and some odd idea that the GT2 will "rape" (actually disconcertingly used quite a few times by the same guy in it's forms) the GT-R around a track when an independent test has the difference down to just a 1/10th of a second.

The guy dug himself an embarrassing hole in the recent Boxster thread and the previous GT-R thread. The argument of this sensational GT2 driving experience (of which I have no doubt in experienced hands) seems odd coming from somebody who thinks this:

Why you'd want the GT3 over the Turbo I don't know!
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