2008 French Grand Prix - Race 8/17

Cavallino said:
Hmm Im sure there was another race where the tyre was flailing around unnaturally... and Brundle mention it was due to pressures etc...

Cant remember ugh...
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There was a time when all the michelin runners were running low pressures to increase the contact patch on the track at speed.
 
*Shock - Horror*

We wont see the Hamilton PR team - no dad to interview on his vast F1 experience and knowledge?!?

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
I love how Ron Dennis always looks like he just wants to come out with it all, conspiracies, corruption, the works :D
 
Cavallino said:
Regarding Black+Orange flagging Raikonnen.

Absolute poofiddles.

Anyone remember the race where Mclaren had a driver out with VERY LOW tyre pressures and the tyre was literally vibrating in a very unnatural manner as the car was driving along? That was an accident waiting to happen.

That should've been a black+orange, but that didnt happen.

Instead, the suspension failed and the out of control Mclaren nearly collected an innocent Jenson Button.

(Was it Raikonnen in the Mclaren at that time? Cant remember exactly which driver it was).
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I remember Raikkonen having a flat spot, not low tire pressures which caused the suspension to fail on the last lap. Drivers have flatspot all the time. Every driver who locks a tire should be shown the black and orange? :confused:

Adding to that, in 2005 *when the incident happened* you were not allowed to change tyres. If you had a flat spot - you had to live with it. Only tiumes you were allowed to change tyres is if there was a puncture or if there was rain. So change a tyre and get a penalty. This was changed after Raikkonens incident so that if a tyre had an extreme flat spot they were allowed to change it - the FIA then inspected they tyre and if they deemed that it was not a dangerous tyre then there would be a time od drive through penalty.

However - a big lump of hot metal flailing around is a completely different matter. That falls off and bounces down the tarmac - then another car collects that at ~180mph. Ouch.
 
Only one retirement in the whole race? (Button, unsuprisingly)

Has there ever been a race with no retirements?
 
Hxc said:
Has there ever been a race with no retirements?
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1961 Dutch Grand Prix
No retirements.
No pitstops either. :D


Code: 
[b]Pos	No	Driver			Team		Laps	Time/Retired	Grid	Pts[/b]
1	3	Wolfgang von Trips	Ferrari 	75	2:01'52.1	2	9
2	1	Phil Hill		Ferrari 	75	+ 0.9		1	6
3	15	Jim Clark		Lotus-Climax	75	+ 13.1		11	4
4	14	Stirling Moss		Lotus-Climax	75	+ 22.2		4	3
5	2	Richie Ginther		Ferrari 	75	+ 22.2		3	2
6	10	Jack Brabham		Cooper-Climax 	75	+ 1'20.1	7	1
7	12	John Surtees		Cooper-Climax 	75	+ 1'26.7	9	
8	4	Graham Hill		BRM-Climax 	75	+ 1'39.8	5	
9	5	Tony Brooks		BRM-Climax 	74	+ 1 Laps	8	
10	7	Dan Gurney		Porsche		74	+ 1 Laps	6	
11	6	Jo Bonnier		Porsche		73	+ 2 Laps	12	
12	11	Bruce McLaren		Cooper-Climax 	73	+ 2 Laps	14	
13	16	Trevor Taylor 		Lotus-Climax	73	+ 2 Laps	16	
14	8	Carel Godin de Beaufort Porsche		72	+ 3 Laps	17	
15	9	Hans Herrmann		Porsche		72	+ 3 Laps	13
 
therealnerd2 said:
What's the betting that Piquet actually keeps it on the track?
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penski said:
Laps 'til Piquet bins it...?

*n
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:p

sunama said:
Why would Ferrari International Assistance take any action against a Ferrari? :D
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Oh, do sod off :) If anything, I'm sure the French race stewards might have been trying to work things in favour of a certain Renault driver.

Oh, by the way sunama - remind me again, where did the two McLarens finish today? Did Heikki finish in the points, well ahead of Hamilton?

Actually, I'm being very unfair just for the sake of it - that penalty was pretty much BS (the drive through, the grid one from Montreal was richly deserved IMO). And without it, he might have gotten a couple of points today. But it was obvious what was going to happen as soon as he had to drive off-track to properly complete the pass. And what would it honestly have cost him just to let the STR back by and get him the next lap?

Still, if they don't want folks cutting chicanes then they should put squishy walls in the way. That'd soon stop 'em doing it without compromising safety too much.

Further thoughts:

1) Any chance of McLaren lodging a quick protest over Trulli's rather....robust tactics at keeping Heikki behind?
2) Massa leads the championship. Woo!
3) BMW came back down to Earth with a pretty shattering crunch, didn't they? Honestly thought Kubica might get it together on race-day and power up onto the podium. Just wasn't happening for him today.
4) I do hope Kimi's car didn't lunch itself too badly.
5) I loved how desperately unexcited JA was when Massa took the chequered flag :)


Think we better pray for rain at Silverstone, otherwise it'll be another Ferrari run-and-hide job.
 
Flibster said:
Schumacher tried it on the next lap as well - but De La Rosa was past by then. ;)
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Stopped both videos at the same point.

On the first attempt. Schumacher was ahead of PdlR - i.e. its Schumi's corner.
On the second, PdlR was ahead of Schumacher - i.e. PdlR's corner.

Had Schumacher cut across and still maintained a lead on the second attempt, I reckon he shouldve been penalised then.
 
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