ok maybe i dont have experience with that.
but are you saying she wont get counciling? and that the councling wont help her get over what shes done?
whats to say its even bothered her??
6 month ban and £275 fine for woman who killed a motorcyclist
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ok maybe i dont have experience with that.
but are you saying she wont get counciling? and that the councling wont help her get over what shes done?
whats to say its even bothered her??
ok so you think prison is harsh.
do you think what she was given is enough??
6month ban? £200+ fine?
what not revoake her license, make her do an extended test like a lot of people have to do?
I agree that she got off extremely lightly when it came to her license endorsement, she should have been banned for 12-18 months at least if you ask me. So we agree here.
Its a tradegy that happened but as Wicksta and others have said it was an accident.
Yes she was careless and stupid and unfortunatley someone died as a result of this but sending her to prison is not the answer.
What the punishment should be i have no idea but you can be pretty rest assured she will think worse of herself than anyone on here.
We are all human and mistakes happen. I've been driving for 16 years and i've taken my eyes off the road before and suddenly found myself drifting over on the motorway etc. Perhaps i should be locked up too as in effect thats what happened to her, careless driving. Yes someone died as a result but the crime was the careless driving.
Tradegy none the less.
Yes she was careless and stupid and unfortunatley someone died as a result of this but sending her to prison is not the answer.
What the punishment should be i have no idea but you can be pretty rest assured she will think worse of herself than anyone on here.
We are all human and mistakes happen. I've been driving for 16 years and i've taken my eyes off the road before and suddenly found myself drifting over on the motorway etc. Perhaps i should be locked up too as in effect thats what happened to her, careless driving. Yes someone died as a result but the crime was the careless driving.
Tradegy none the less.
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Dont you think though, you could still kill somoeone if you were changing the radio station, or moving the air vents in your car...?
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I agree that she got off extremely lightly when it came to her license endorsement, she should have been banned for 12-18 months at least if you ask me. So we agree here.
we agree there.
but others have been jailed for the same offence. that is what i was getting at.
and like i've said above about a friend of mine, shes goign to get worse than that, for a lot lesser offense
Very true.
I see what you're saying but i just can't accept that reaching over to the passenger door whilst driving is classified as a "mistake".
Is it as much of a "mistake" as if i drunk drove and killed someone?
Sorry but that last comment is just silly. Do you really think that any decent person would be unbothered by being responsible for the death of another human being?
Just because she accidentaly killed this chap doesn't stop her from being a decent person either. The accident doesn't define her as a person, its just something she caused and has to live with. The fine and the ban mean nothing, the guilt will be with her for the rest of her life.
As for the counselling, she in all likelyhood could be suffering from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder and could fall into clinical depression. Certainly if she goes to the doctors they are likely to refer her to a counsellor.
It will certainly help her get past the accident, but only in so much as she will be able to carry on functioning on a day to day basis. It won't and can't take away the guilt and associated mental pain/stress/anguish.
Do I feel sorry for her? Sure, why not? Not as much as the Widow of the chap who died of course, but this is a terrible accident and I'm afraid that these things happen.
The problem then is more that the Justice System in this country is a mess and no 2 sentences ever hold the same punishment.
And as has already been said you just know if this was a man in the exact same situation, perhaps with some points for speeding at one time, perhaps driving a decent fast car, he would get jailed.
No, sorry, both are different.
Yes both are mistakes in the loose sense but one is a deliberate disregard for the law and life.
One is getting a tissue! Stupid, but human nature is stupid at times. Moments lapse in reasoning has caused a death, not a blatent disregard for law and life such as drink driving.
What I don't understand is this:
Careless driving that resulted in a death: 6 month ban + small fine.
Speeding with the POTENTIAL to cause death: 6 month prison sentance and massive fine.
Driving without insurance: 12 month ban + small fine.
The second example was taken from a recent case where a speeding driver was sent down for speeding.
The point of my post wasn't to deride the judge but to point out that the tariffs set for motoring offences are inadequate and don't make a whole lot of sense when not held up in isolation.
It just seems that the penalties suggest that as long as you don't exceed the speed limits and keep your car insured, you're fine no matter how appaling your driving and how dangerous you are.
Careless driving that resulted in a death: 6 month ban + small fine.
Speeding with the POTENTIAL to cause death: 6 month prison sentance and massive fine.
Driving without insurance: 12 month ban + small fine.
The second example was taken from a recent case where a speeding driver was sent down for speeding.
The point of my post wasn't to deride the judge but to point out that the tariffs set for motoring offences are inadequate and don't make a whole lot of sense when not held up in isolation.
It just seems that the penalties suggest that as long as you don't exceed the speed limits and keep your car insured, you're fine no matter how appaling your driving and how dangerous you are.
the accident was still HER fault. she must have known that leaning all the way to the other side of the car was a stupid and very dangerous thing to do.
yes it was me that said if it was a male in a fast or supped up car then the chances are he would be punished a lot more.
so as everyone is pushing for equal rights why different sentences for the same type of offence? only different being the sex?
Exactly. Sure people may say it was a mistake, we all make them. But not all of our mistakes end up in someones death. I don't accept that you can be excused from having a proper punishment just because you made a mistake.
I remember a guy from pistonheads who lost control of his CTR (or ITR) and hit a motorcyclist which resulted in the motorcyclist having quite horrific injuries. He got sent down for it. It was a "mistake" that he did it and from reading his posts i have no doubt whatsoever that he will be suffering the consquences of his actions for the rest of his life, but that didn't get him excused from his "mistake" did it?
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As harsh as it sounds, at the end of the day the woman reached for a tissue. If I had snot pouring out of my nose in a sudden fashion (happens) then I too would reach for a tissue.
Ultimately I dont think its a prison-worthy offense, but the ban could have done with being a fair bit longer
Just my views
Ultimately I dont think its a prison-worthy offense, but the ban could have done with being a fair bit longer
Just my views
I agree with some of what you say. However, she was not driving in a manner that meets the requirements of the test for Causing Death by Dangerous Driving, therefore she did not Cause Death by dangerous driving.
However I think she probably would have met the tests for the new charge of Causing Death by careless driving, but that isn't yet in place.
I'm not sure that reaching across to the passenger door in a medium sized car such as an Astra would fit a test of "very dangerous thing to do". I have no way of knowing how long her arms are and/or if she had to take her eyes off the road for an extended period of time to get her tissue.
Agree it was stupid and I suspect she would too....
Havnt you heard of sniffing then sleaving
Women are pretty useless at paying attension while driving, Always see them putting on lipstick or ajustiong there hair in the mirror
The difference with the CTR case though was that he drove so fast that it was beyond the point of the car's adhesion. It was reckless rather than careless. It was certainly far too harsh a penalty though and I believe they wanted to make an example of him. You can hardly make an example of someone who picked up some tissues though, I'm sure reading this story alone will make people think twice about leaning over the car to get something.