Virgin are now going to use application throttling!!.

Well my tv package and 20meg lol @ 20meg is going from VM hopefully to SKY and the o2/BE :D

5 years of top speed BB and mid tier tv packages (did have phone too but vm fubared that up last year so i cancelled lol)

I in my wildest dreams i couldn't be classed as a heavy user, Now these different capped speed times are the final straw

So long VM it was naff being with you (When NTL as was, I loved every minute)

Hopefully they will end up owing money for their franchise (VM brand name) after sane people figure out that VM aint planning on giving a fair service, Nor even dishing out KY to ease the pain lol :)
 
Dist said:
If you couldnt be classed as a heavy user, why would the STM matter to you?
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Because it happens to anyone even though you are not a top 5% user! For some people it is not viable for them to leave their pc's running all night or maybe they are at work when it is free for all (no STM), There is so many different reasons why this affects people in different ways.

So basically they are paying for a service that gets crippled just because virgin say they are overloading the network. :rolleyes:

It could not be more simple DON'T offer services that you cannot handle!
 
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OK, Do you have 20meg VM Dist ??

I have, and i can tell you mine always since ntl bought the virgin name for 30yrs was it ? that my speeds and others have gone downhill (on my part this is fact)

When i went business dial-up with BT yes dial-up 24/7 i paid a hefty premium, No i never used it 24/7

Just because i want the fastest speed available doesn't mean i want to use it 24/7

I started fine on all highest speeds ntl offered, so what ?

I don't now like paying £37 a mth for 20meg when if out of the blue i wanted data etc that then sets me back to stupid low speeds with no reduced price

I pay for 20meg, this is what i continuely signed on for, Now in certain circumstances i can't get my speed i pay for

Sheesh if you want to pay for a whole but can at times only use a quarter wouldn't you be fed up ??

Anyone can equate things to other things but here's one for ya ...........

Ohh Mr you can only drive your 4 wheel'ed car on 1 wheel, We're sorry but heck we still gonna charge you the same rate for when you use the other 3 wheels with the fourth one

Sheesh, I have posted about this thing also so here it is in caps

I SEEM TO GET CAPPED NO MATTER HOW MUCH OR LITTLE I USE MY 20MEG CONNECTION Go figure that out for me will ya ?

I can leave modem off for eg: 2 days or more and still get capped even knowing i have nowhere neared the so called limit

The whole 5% stuff is bull from where i am

They have had quite a few thousand pound off me in 5yrs just over, Last years been a laugh (not)
 
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Defiance_co said:
OK, Do you have 20meg VM Dist ??

I have, and i can tell you mine always since ntl bought the virgin name for 30yrs was it ? that my speeds and others have gone downhill (on my part this is fact)

When i went business dial-up with BT yes dial-up 24/7 i paid a hefty premium, No i never used it 24/7

Just because i want the fastest speed available doesn't mean i want to use it 24/7

I started fine on all highest speeds ntl offered, so what ?

I don't now like paying £37 a mth for 20meg when if out of the blue i wanted data etc that then sets me back to stupid low speeds with no reduced price

I pay for 20meg, this is what i continuely signed on for, Now in certain circumstances i can't get my speed i pay for

Sheesh if you want to pay for a whole but can at times only use a quarter wouldn't you be fed up ??

Anyone can equate things to other things but here's one for ya ...........

Ohh Mr you can only drive your 4 wheel'ed car on 1 wheel, We're sorry but heck we still gonna charge you the same rate for when you use the other 3 wheels with the fourth one

Sheesh, I have posted about this thing also so here it is in caps

I SEEM TO GET CAPPED NO MATTER HOW MUCH OR LITTLE I USE MY 20MEG CONNECTION Go figure that out for me will ya ?

I can leave modem off for eg: 2 days or more and still get capped even knowing i have nowhere neared the so called limit

The whole 5% stuff is bull from where i am

They have had quite a few thousand pound off me in 5yrs just over, Last years been a laugh (not)
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Yes i am on 20Mb, and my connection has been perfect, outside of the STM hours (and inside the STM hours up untill i hit the cap) i get exactly the speed i pay for.

As for you saying you get capped no matter how much you use, have you ever thought it may be because you are in an oversubscribed area, and has nothing to do with STM? You say you leave your modem off for 2 days and still get capped, well it doesnt matter if its previously been off, or previously been under constant heavy load, all that matters is if you are downloading too much right during the STM hours. If you cant get full speed outside of STM times (assuming you didnt hit the cap near the end of the STM, which will continue the slower service beyond the STM time), then either the source of what you are trying to download cant transfer to you at 20Mb, or you are in an oversubscribed area.
 
@ TraxData, Telewest do not run it now, do some homework before blowing your top with wrong info please.

VM is basically NTL.

NTL and Telewest merged, some legal thing with a contract with a Subscription to content meant they were possibly going to need be Telewest after merge but they were given the ok by the powers to be and could be NTL/Telewest.

Then they wanted to buy Virgin Mobile so Branson let then so long as he was a major shareholder and they took on the Virgin Media brand name.

Telewest Blueyonder were the ISP of the year many, many times, NTL were near bottom every year.
 
lol what is with this company...they just get worse and worse.
now im not with virgin no more but this is still bad news as they are in a way almost forcing ppl away from them and BE(who im with) is usually the best place to go...

i really wish they would hold onto their customers a little better
 
you realise that everyone leaving VM is going to BE or the next best provider so everyone elses speed is going to decrease.

i mean just look at the limits on the STM's its absoultely stupid 1.4gb upload in 5 hours, anyone uploading to youtube, photobucket and things like that for videos and other media are going to be throttled down.

i also like it how they give you different times and limits for upstream and downstream yet they take 75% of both when you meet one or the other.

well i can say is they've royaly ***** me off, was with telewest for years and they were spot on! now VM's come in, upgraded their package and say they *cant handle the load* so were going to cap the people that actually *USE* their service...

its just a load of **** to make money out of people, its all going to end up with net neturality being a problem where they limit the sites we can visit without paying more money etc etc..

well i miss telewest and their solid 10MBit line. i think someone said they could download 100gb even with the STMs in place on 20mb? well you could download 100gb on the 10mb in a day because i tried it..

StevenG
 
Man the nickname for the area i live in is "Beirut"

My neighbours are either injectors or swiggers (dunno whether i can say exact wording here)

I doubt they have tv licences let alone net access

When the last one out turns off the light at VM BB i'm sure other ISP's will start the ball rolling again with pay for x speed you get x speed, It's happened to me through around 5 ISP's

Usually it's like this ....

ISP offers full no hastle use as you like, Others follow, People subscribe, ISP's have a good earner but systems getting gridlocked (my term for us laymen) They introduce time limits or some sort of caps, Other ISP's follow suit, Customers go elsewhere or wait for "the full circle cycle"

Along comes a yet again fresh-idea'd ISP offering a no hastle use as you like ISP, No caps no limits, Repeat the above

NTL bought into the VM brandname Yes, Cost them £962.4m ............

As part of the deal, NTL (which is already merging its operations with Telewest) has entered into a 30 year exclusive brand licence with Virgin Enterprises Limited to use the Virgin brand for the cableco's consumer business

I at the moment until i get BT box sorted pay £37 a month for 20meg which i don't get, This price may of just gone up i can't remember offhand (i know tv package has)

Cable in the UK is a monopoly, Where it's more like the BT monopoly days of old

Good for the company bad for the consumer

Sooner or later some ISP will figure to offer truely 100% pay x get x 24/7 and charge a premium, Myself i Would pay as i guess a fair few would also

Until then, ISP migration will stay, I think it always will be with us anyways
 
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@ TraxData, Telewest do not run it now, do some homework before blowing your top with wrong info please.

VM is basically NTL.
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I think you need to do your homework, telewest now run the BB side of things.

Telewest were also the ones who introduced STM 18 months ago.

Telewest are also the ones who refused to give higher upload speeds.

NTL and Telewest merged, some legal thing with a contract with a Subscription to content meant they were possibly going to need be Telewest after merge but they were given the ok by the powers to be and could be NTL/Telewest.
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Again, Telewest run the BB, you can ask on the support groups if you like.

Praise blueyonder/telewest all you like but they were the ones who introduced STM.

Telewest Blueyonder were the ISP of the year many, many times, NTL were near bottom every year.
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Yes and the end they started having capacity problems and were stm'ing the bad users (doing 500+GB/Month), that is pretty common knowledge these days.

NTL had a lot of capacity problems as well (well, not a lot, it's mainly a few select area's which are falling apart) and although unlimited they had a soft limit and didnt go stm'in you.

But of course, your so smart, you know all this about VM, dont you?

Oh and btw, telewest were also trialing application management back in the day ;) though not with allot, of course.
 
For anyone just popping in to see if VM is decent

I say just move along nothing to see, Just a dying ISP, C'mon move along

While people are willing to stick with VM they will as a business take as much by giving as little (that's business lol)

Only way to hurt businesses is in the wallet unfortunately

As they lose so many customers maybe the penny will drop but i doubt it
 
The problem is VM are happy with their customers on the lower tier packages that arent as they class it 'heavy downloaders'. They dont want 'heavy downloaders' on their network and put these STM's, application throttling etc in there to discourage them.

Im on their 20mb package and have been with NTL/Virgin for the past 7yrs.
My downloads change from month to month, week to week, some weeks i dont download hardly anything, then last week, ive been downloading 9gb per day.
Still not excessive in my view.

The thing is people are leaving VM but people are still joining them and why.. well, i got a flyer through my door this morning offering 2mb for £4 per month, 20mb for £10 for the 1st 6 months and then £20 for the life after that.

At those prices people will be jumping on board left right and centre I think.
 
That's why NTL wanted the Virgin brandname

Like a well known food supermarket, The brandname is known in almost 100% of households, So the consumer feels secure with the products

1 cable company, I still don't see How the Monopoly and Mergers Commision passed it (ohh i do but for legal reasons i best not speculate)

Like now saying to BT, Get back to being a monopoly

Don't figure sometimes
 
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I'm a Virgin subscriber...I knew nothing about what was happening in the VM world until I stumbled across this forum/thread.
Fascinating stuff...I will monitor with great interest...
 
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I think you need to do your homework, telewest now run the BB side of things.

Telewest were also the ones who introduced STM 18 months ago.

Telewest are also the ones who refused to give higher upload speeds.



Again, Telewest run the BB, you can ask on the support groups if you like.

Praise blueyonder/telewest all you like but they were the ones who introduced STM.



Yes and the end they started having capacity problems and were stm'ing the bad users (doing 500+GB/Month), that is pretty common knowledge these days.

NTL had a lot of capacity problems as well (well, not a lot, it's mainly a few select area's which are falling apart) and although unlimited they had a soft limit and didnt go stm'in you.

But of course, your so smart, you know all this about VM, dont you?

Oh and btw, telewest were also trialing application management back in the day ;) though not with allot, of course.
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TW-BY never gave me any STM.

NTL were ones to close all TW-BY offices on merger and use Indian Call centres.

Your info is still flawed and NTL sucked as a ISP compaired to TW-BY (ISP of Year Reviews show it).

It is also well known the TW-BY infrastructure was better than Bankrupts NTL's (spent all cash on Sponserships).

No I don't think I'm smart and know all about TW-BY, but I know a damn site more than you going by your crap above.
 
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The problem is the security of the whole cable system - Cloned Modems and 3rd Part Set-top boxes are what really suck up all the bandwidth.

I've read about people with 3 or 4 Cloned Modems each with a 20mb config leeching 24/7.

The need to upgrade to DOCSIS 3.0, but that means paying out for new modems :( which they wont do.
 
helmutcheese said:
TW-BY never gave me any STM.

NTL were ones to close all TW-BY offices on merger and use Indian Call centres.

Your info is still flawed and NTL sucked as a ISP compaired to TW-BY (ISP of Year Reviews show it).

It is also well known the TW-BY infrastructure was better than Bankrupts NTL's (spent all cash on Sponserships).

No I don't think I'm smart and know all about TW-BY, but I know a damn site more than you going by your crap above.
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I dont care if you didnt get stm'd on telewest, they were running STM trials, lucky you not being in one of the areas.

I suggest you go read up online about the STM they ran buddy.

Your the one posting crap, i think i know a lot more about the company i worked for, for over 12 years, thanks.
 
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