support our farmers

badbob · 13 Jul 2008 at 13:38

trickyj said:
I agree with supporting farmers but I also believe you won't find a poor farmer

Wealth is probably in the farm, not monetary. And for the hours worked, stress and loss of earnings if the cattle are infected, pretty lousy tbh..

james.miller · 13 Jul 2008 at 13:44

Ben M said:
That really is strange, what with the produce in supermarkets coming from farmers and all.

not really? lot fresher straight from the farmer. better quality produce straight from the farmer. would you say the same of meat from a butcher?

gillywibble · 13 Jul 2008 at 13:47

Ooarr ooarr.

Slam62 · 13 Jul 2008 at 13:53

Stuff them, it's called competition get over it.

TaKeN · 13 Jul 2008 at 14:54

Slam62 said:
Stuff them, it's called competition get over it.

GTFO.

My mum and dad are farmers and I dabble abit, prices are better than they were at the moment for milk, but cattle feed prices are high and the actual animals themselves are fetching v.high prices at the market (Dairy cattle)

They work more hours than I find acceptable.. all the money is tied up in the actual farm !

monkentage · 13 Jul 2008 at 14:55

most should have gone out of business years ago

badbob · 13 Jul 2008 at 15:01

monkentage said:
most should have gone out of business years ago

Do you think food comes from a replictor? :rolleyes:

So funny people make fun of farmers when it's most important job to our society.

Energize · 13 Jul 2008 at 15:02

Slinwagh said:
Do you realise that the purchasing power of the big supermarkets dictates the price, not the farmers?

If all the farmers united to sell their produce at one price the supermarkets would have no choice but to buy at the higher price. Their inability to all stick together allows the supermarkets to dictate such low prices.

Glaucus · 13 Jul 2008 at 15:03

Problem is imported food isn't taxed enough.. Did I just say that :eek:

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We should produce enough food to support ourself, rather than shipping it all in and shipping all the money out. It's not good for the economy.

Energize said:
If all the farmers united to sell their produce at one price the supermarkets would have no choice but to buy at the higher price.

Way to just ignore global economy and importing of most of our foods by supermarkets.

monkentage · 13 Jul 2008 at 15:04

badbob said:
Do you think food comes from a replictor? So funny people make fun of farmers when it's most important job to our society.

yeah roll eyes :rolleyes:

agricultural policy forces europeans to buy expensive domestically produced food rather than cheap imports. **** farmers. crooks.

Energize · 13 Jul 2008 at 15:06

AcidHell2 said:
Way to just ignore global economy and importing of most of our foods by supermarkets.

The supermarkets aren't in a position to import everything, and the government can more easily restrict imports.

monkentage · 13 Jul 2008 at 15:06

AcidHell2 said:
It's not good for the economy.

so its not good for an economy to be efficient and have capital allocated to where produce is maximised? (i.e. producing little food in britain).

Glaucus · 13 Jul 2008 at 15:11

monkentage said:
so its not good for an economy to be efficient and have capital allocated to where produce is maximised? (i.e. producing little food in britain).

It's not good exporting money to other countrys for what ever reason. food, energy or anything else. You want to be a et exporter not a net importer.

Energize said:
The supermarkets aren't in a position to import everything, and the government can more easily restrict imports.

They important most goods, far more than home grown/produced stuff. As I said it should be taxed more to discourage it.

FrostedNipple · 13 Jul 2008 at 15:13

I thought it was common fact that the best beef comes from Spain.

Slinwagh · 13 Jul 2008 at 15:13

Energize said:
If all the farmers united to sell their produce at one price the supermarkets would have no choice but to buy at the higher price. Their inability to all stick together allows the supermarkets to dictate such low prices.

Is that not a cartel !?

monkentage · 13 Jul 2008 at 15:14

AcidHell2 said:
It's not good exporting money to other countrys for what ever reason. food, energy or anything else. You want to be a et exporter not a net importer.

trading intangible or capital goods for food is not net import...

edit: referring to the bold, maintaining a positive trade balance aka mercantilism was rubbished at the end of the 18th century.

>:|sh4d0w|:< · 13 Jul 2008 at 15:16

With the way the world is farming is now a business that needs to take place on an industrial scale. Sure there will always be niche and specialist producers of meats and dairy products etc, but for the bulk of foodstuffs meat and dairy farming will go the way of grain production moreso than it has already.

Glaucus · 13 Jul 2008 at 15:18

monkentage said:
its impossible for a country to be a net importer or exporter, trade in goods and capital is always balanced in the long run. trading intangible or capital goods for food is not net import...

It doesn't have to balance. I'm not just talking about food. I'm pretty sure we are a net importer and have been for some time.

PureAppleJuice · 13 Jul 2008 at 15:18

I'm sure the farmers will be fine in the long run, those pretentious middle class types have a habit of going down the little country food shop to buy rip off meat.

Energize · 13 Jul 2008 at 15:20

Slinwagh said:
Is that not a cartel !?

They'd just be following the market leaders.

The government can't really stop thousands of different farmers from doing it, it would be too large a scale, and they would have too much power over the economy.