Would you tell MS about this?

Burnsy2023 · 25 Jul 2008 at 16:56

Ethics said:
Unix has X servers.... Xfree86, Xorg....

And i'm sure gnash could be compiled on it for flash support

Silly people

But if you're using UNIX, why would you want a GUI?

Burnsy

Craig321 · 25 Jul 2008 at 16:58

metalmackey said:
Would you feel guilty ?

Not in the slightest.

Glaucus · 25 Jul 2008 at 17:06

This is why you should buy upgrade, most people already have legit xp or can but a legit xp of the net for a £10. I don't understand and why oem is such a popular product.

Mattus · 25 Jul 2008 at 19:12

I'd always rather start with a fresh install than an upgrade from XP, even if it was a fresh XP. Just feels cleaner.

Slam62 · 25 Jul 2008 at 22:27

you'll be ok so long as you go to confesssion, the lord will forgive you.

Craig321 · 26 Jul 2008 at 02:23

AcidHell2 said:
This is why you should buy upgrade, most people already have legit xp or can but a legit xp of the net for a £10. I don't understand and why oem is such a popular product.

OEM is near on £100 cheaper than retail upgrade, I'd definitely go for OEM at the current prices.

Begbie · 26 Jul 2008 at 02:50

I wouldn't feel guilty, how many people have a copy of this and never once paid for it?

Killa_ken · 26 Jul 2008 at 03:00

Greenlizard0 said:
They actually say you can change what you wish - but should the motherboard be changed (generally without it being faulty) another copy of Vista is supposed to be paid for.

LOL **** MS.

Strife212 · 26 Jul 2008 at 03:01

No, in fact, if it didnt automatically activate again i would be on the phone to them demanding they activate it :/

(And I know you are supposed to buy it again)

Tombo · 26 Jul 2008 at 03:21

EULA != Law.

Glaucus · 26 Jul 2008 at 07:42

Craig321 said:
OEM is near on £100 cheaper than retail upgrade, I'd definitely go for OEM at the current prices.

wtf? upgrade can be had for £90 oem is around £60

Even on huge retailers it is £109. No idea where you get this +£100 from.

And if you get from USA it can be had for $80 + postage.. Which works out about the same price as OEM.

And on an auction site from America for under $50.

Burnsy2023 · 26 Jul 2008 at 15:07

Slam62 said:
you'll be ok so long as you go to confesssion, the lord will forgive you.

The lord forgives all, except EULA violations

Burnsy

Tute · 26 Jul 2008 at 15:11

I love the way the thread fills with people trying to justify breaking the EULA.

Fact is, nobody can make you be honest. So if you're happy, just carry on breaking it, it's not like the police will be around to bash your door down.

Burnsy2023 · 26 Jul 2008 at 15:24

Tute said:
I love the way the thread fills with people trying to justify breaking the EULA.

Fact is, nobody can make you be honest. So if you're happy, just carry on breaking it, it's not like the police will be around to bash your door down.

I agree. I'll tell people if they're violating the EULA or not, but at the end of the day it's all based on trust. But for god sake, don't bother trying to justify what is obviously is a violation.

Burnsy

kitfit1 · 26 Jul 2008 at 19:05

Tombo said:
EULA != Law.

It means nothing of the sort. The EULA is a contract between MS and the user, just like any other contract between two parties. It may well be enforcable through civil action (although as far as i know, it never has been tested in the UK), but certainly not through the criminal courts. Piracy though is a criminal offence, but we are not talking about piracy here.

Fillado · 26 Jul 2008 at 19:26

I've had my Windows XP Home OEM for about 5 years, it's been activated numerous times on technically 3 computers (and 1 VM). It's only been installed on 1 computer at a time. Pretty much I treat it like a retail version and Microsoft's activation servers seem to have the same opinion.

I am breaking the EULA? Yes (well, I believe on SP1 they hadn't actually defined what a "computer" was

)

Do I feel guilty? NO

It's the same to me as ripping a CD. According to UK law it is ILLEGAL to be doing it. No questions about it. I wonder if all the people in here who are so EULA-abiding still tote around a portable CD player and a bag full of CDs? I definitely don't fell guilty about ripping a CD for personal use whatever anyone would say about it!

Burnsy2023 · 26 Jul 2008 at 21:22

kitfit1 said:
It means nothing of the sort. The EULA is a contract between MS and the user, just like any other contract between two parties. It may well be enforcable through civil action (although as far as i know, it never has been tested in the UK), but certainly not through the criminal courts. Piracy though is a criminal offence, but we are not talking about piracy here.

You do realise != means "not equal to"?

Burnsy

kitfit1 · 26 Jul 2008 at 22:25

Burnsy2023 said:
You do realise != means "not equal to"?

Burnsy

Obviously not :mad:

otherwise i would not have wasted the end of my fingers.

Why the hell don't peeps just say what they mean, instead of using stupid abrieviations :mad:

Olibubble · 26 Jul 2008 at 23:19

A few of the responses are a little OTT for my liking. OEM allows you to swap everything else except the motherboard right? And thats ok? But if you want to keep everything else and swap the motherboard you're scum? Bit much?

Actually I imagine that MS would still say you were fully licensed if all you did was swap the motherboard and kept everything else. Even if they didn't it isn't like they are going to take you to court over it. Not to mention the terrible PR it would cause, I sincerely doubt any judge would enforce the EULA if all you did is change the motherboard. Yes, the EULA is a contract. And as such it has to be a fair contract. Doesn't seem fair to me if someone can get away with swapping everything else on their computer but you are in the dock for only swapping one part.

Now I, and probably Microsoft, draw the line if you swapped every other part AND the motherboard on an OEM license. I believe the clause in the EULA is stop people transferring the license from computer to computer and they picked the motherboard as the most likely place to tie the license to. In my opinion if all you are doing is changing the motherboard and leaving everything else it isn't a new computer.

A little common sense can go a long way.

kitfit1 · 26 Jul 2008 at 23:41

Olibubble said:
A few of the responses are a little OTT for my liking. OEM allows you to swap everything else except the motherboard right? And thats ok? But if you want to keep everything else and swap the motherboard you're scum? Bit much?

Actually I imagine that MS would still say you were fully licensed if all you did was swap the motherboard and kept everything else. Even if they didn't it isn't like they are going to take you to court over it. Not to mention the terrible PR it would cause, I sincerely doubt any judge would enforce the EULA if all you did is change the motherboard. Yes, the EULA is a contract. And as such it has to be a fair contract. Doesn't seem fair to me if someone can get away with swapping everything else on their computer but you are in the dock for only swapping one part.

Now I, and probably Microsoft, draw the line if you swapped every other part AND the motherboard on an OEM license. I believe the clause in the EULA is stop people transferring the license from computer to computer and they picked the motherboard as the most likely place to tie the license to. In my opinion if all you are doing is changing the motherboard and leaving everything else it isn't a new computer.

A little common sense can go a long way.

You would have thought "A little common sense can go a long way". But the EUlA is the EULA, and you pay for what you get.

This topic comes up time and time again, the simple answer is, if you are a clocker like most of us are and change rigs more times than i have a leak, then buy a RETAIL COPY. Problem solved, no arguments. If you don't like the price involved, get yourself another hobby.