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The GTX 260 is faster than 4870
- Thread starter MR.B
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Except it doesn't show that, it merely shows that the GTX260 you have clocks better than the 4870 you have. There's no way of knowing how well other examples will clock.
What BSOD ?,I have not had one in Vista x64 for over 12 months now,ATI drivers are fine,infact I had more issues uninstalling my old Nvidia drivers (even with Driver Sweeper in safe mode)when I went back again to AMD/ATI , as to IQ quality well everytime I go back to AMD/ATi from Nvidia I notice how crisp the image is ,especially at desktop.
I'm going to put your post down to user error or something faulty,have a look on the web most benchmarks prove 4870 is faster then 260.
For the record I more then happy with my 4870 is ALL areas.
One important issue for those considering 260,make sure it'll fit in your case,my 4870 was fitted ok but was touching one of my IDE cables that I use for DVD drives,the 260 would have been a NO NO from the start, something to consider depending on layout/space on etc.
I'm going to put your post down to user error or something faulty,have a look on the web most benchmarks prove 4870 is faster then 260.
For the record I more then happy with my 4870 is ALL areas.
One important issue for those considering 260,make sure it'll fit in your case,my 4870 was fitted ok but was touching one of my IDE cables that I use for DVD drives,the 260 would have been a NO NO from the start, something to consider depending on layout/space on etc.
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well all i can say is give the guy a break.
he has taken the time to write up a thread with images and benchmarks showing exactly what hes has stated, the gtx260 can indeed beat a 4870.
if you want to see the 4870 beating the gtx260 or either at standard settings, go read any of the plentiful reviews that are out there on the web.
I for one apriciate the time and effort you have put into bringing this thread to us. thank you.
he has taken the time to write up a thread with images and benchmarks showing exactly what hes has stated, the gtx260 can indeed beat a 4870.
if you want to see the 4870 beating the gtx260 or either at standard settings, go read any of the plentiful reviews that are out there on the web.
I for one apriciate the time and effort you have put into bringing this thread to us. thank you.
In my review I got the 260 just pipping the 4870. The usual see-saw effect was apperent though in both single and dual card setups. The cards are very closely matched but if money wasn't an issue then I would take the GTX260.
i can confirm the problem your going on about. it is a massive issue with the ati drivers and vista. its the reason i went back to xp x64 since in vista the ati drivers would constanlty cause errors. now im back to xp64 bit and iv had no issues at all.
there is a massive thread on many forums regarding that ati driver issue so its very common indeed.
also it would be good if you could run those benches again using the latest nvidia drivers with the latest physx pack installed. id like to see how things are in ut3 now.
the good thing about your review is how you mention that the loading of games is faster with the nvidia card. lots of reviews miss that out since they just focus on the in game benchmarks.
for me now that the price of the gtx260 is so close to the 4870, i can rule out the 4870 as a purchase since the gtx260 is a better buy at the same price.
I've never had a graphics driver problem in 18 years of owning a computer (touch wood)
You failed to point out NV have just as bad error and loads of people have it, infact you know about it.
I dont get why people would take a GTX260 over a 4870 when the 4870 is faster though, ATi's drivers are a POS (CCC), Nvidias CP I quite like, but the drivers are still not very good, coming from an 8800GT to a 4870 loading games is not faster, I fail to notice any IQ difference in games or anything, I dont get what is so better about the GTX260, the GTX280 yes thats a lot better than the 4870 but for the same prices I'd go with the best card for the money which is the 4870, PhysX is not something to make you decide yet by the time laods of games will be using that we'll all be on different cards and its possible ATi drivers will work properly with PhysX and also there is a good lineup of games that are going to be using havox Physx from what I have seen.
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My god Will, cant you see he's up to his usual trolling and attention seeking, always flaming ATI, man you should have grasped this fact by now.
I know he does, he always rubs it in on MSN all this rubbish about how his 8600GT thrashes my 4870 and I'd be upgrading getting an 8800GT coz of all this PhysX which knowing me wont be in any games I like, I'm looking forward to Alan Wake, thats using Havok last time I heard.
seems like a lot of 4870 users are upset by nvidias price drops. willhub, you already mentioned to me that you were trying to return your 4870 for a refund after owning it for 3 weeks and that says a lot about how you seem to find you 4870.
a lot of 4870 owners have gone into defensive mode now that the gtx260 is the same price as a 4870. as for your 8800gt to a 4870 willhub, note that the op mentioned that the loading of games could be attributed to the additional memory the gtx260 has.
and as for nvidias driver problem, the main one that happens is that if you overclock your card too much that error turns up. i can easily replicate it on my 8800gt and the old 8600gt by just sticking the core clock to 800mhz on each card and run any 3d app and the error springs up. overclock too much on the nvidia cards and you will see that error pop up.
your overclocking testing methods on the 8800gt were a joke, you mentioned you run the lord of the rings trilogy in High definition after and overclock to check the cards for stability. thats just a complete joke and everyone on here will agree with me.
and recently your running 10 min furmark test for stability when i have told you thats not long enough to guage proper stability.
the OP has done a very good review on this thread with his opinion on the cards he has owned. if you cant respect his opinions then i ask you, why do you even bother to post in this thread? only reason i can think of is that your trying to defend your purchase of the 4870. is it really that bad a card that you have to go to such extreme lengths to defend it?
a lot of 4870 owners have gone into defensive mode now that the gtx260 is the same price as a 4870. as for your 8800gt to a 4870 willhub, note that the op mentioned that the loading of games could be attributed to the additional memory the gtx260 has.
and as for nvidias driver problem, the main one that happens is that if you overclock your card too much that error turns up. i can easily replicate it on my 8800gt and the old 8600gt by just sticking the core clock to 800mhz on each card and run any 3d app and the error springs up. overclock too much on the nvidia cards and you will see that error pop up.
your overclocking testing methods on the 8800gt were a joke, you mentioned you run the lord of the rings trilogy in High definition after and overclock to check the cards for stability. thats just a complete joke and everyone on here will agree with me.
and recently your running 10 min furmark test for stability when i have told you thats not long enough to guage proper stability.
the OP has done a very good review on this thread with his opinion on the cards he has owned. if you cant respect his opinions then i ask you, why do you even bother to post in this thread? only reason i can think of is that your trying to defend your purchase of the 4870. is it really that bad a card that you have to go to such extreme lengths to defend it?
I'm not upset at all, I have a high performing card now (4870) that runs games at 1920x1200 without affecting the 3.25GB RAM I have usable in 32bit Vista and have DX10.1 support as well as GTX280 graphics bandwidth.
All for £177.
What is there to be worried about!
All for £177.
What is there to be worried about!
exactly, you dont seem to be distressed at all since your happy with your purchase. but some people are getting upset probably because they wanted a gtx260 but at the time it costed a fair bit more than the 4870, so now they try and put the gtx260 down every chance they get.
thats just plain wrong.
Nope, cause the frigging things won't it in my case
But this whole thread.... just get on with life guys. All these cards have their strengths which can be determined from reviews.
Just because one doesn't work well for one person, doesn't mean it won't work well for another.
Just pick with your wallet, and if they cost the same, pick the nicest looking one
Get a grip. We can respect his opinion whilst also disagreeing with it.
I don't doubt he's spent a great deal of time benchmarking nor do I doubt that he has made his GTX260 run faster than his 4870 in many of those tests. I do, however, have issues with him drawing general conclusions on the overclockability of these cards in general from a single example of each and I also had issues with his original suite of benchmarks, which have now been expanded slightly.
I am just as entitled to post my opinions as he is. Just because some of us disagree doesn't mean we don't respect him nor does it mean we're not entitled to post here.