The future of gaming coming soon, CLOUD base rendering!!!!

I don't understand :(

So the graphics and virtual world you see are generated on a massive ultra powerful server farm? And my machine doesn't render anything, it just downloads streaming video?

If so, are these people living in a dream world? Bandwidth is not even CLOSE to being able to do that. Heck, it's getting worse... Bandwidth is becoming more expensive for providers, not less expensive.

I just don't get how these guys would be able to stream this to 10,000s of gamers if that's the case...

The idea is very cool in principle though. I reckon Google will do more and more of cloud based computing. Maybe even a cloud based OS? But then when bandwidth speeds have advanced far enough for such things, we will probably also have super fast quantum computers, thus rending the whole idea kinda pointless :(
 
It's a horrifying idea in principle. If the big media companies have their way all our PC's will be monitors, keyboards, mice, a 100mhz CPU and a modem and nothing else!
 
Anyone with some vision can see where this is going, i agree its perhaps a bit premature but i suspect it will start slowly like always, take mobile devices, this technology will be ideal for those, the small screen and in turn low resolution would mean they could render many mobiles for each server, so if they're doing so for a subscription, they will make their money back in no time and add as they need to, while people get to play with better graphics than we get on most pcs.

The delay shouldn't be that bad, most connections are about 25ms, so thats about 50ms to 60ms for the rendering and return of the video i imagine, networks will eventually get faster in both bandwidth and delay times, just recently i read they're working on making optical go all the way without electronic conversion, that will take off many ms i bet, i think the future could be interesting. :)
 
I think this looks awesome!!

Now all gamers can experience something truly fantastic :)

Am I right in saying that this is a lot like when you play a game like crysis on your behemoth pc, then can kind of stream it to your ps3 or eee pc and play it without any lag issues? I would provide a link, but I'm on my iPhone :)
 
The interesting thing about this is that AMD have been working on the server side of things getting this technology to stream to the treo 700. Jules Urback the founder of Otoy who's working on this said that AMD are also working on compressing the stream to such a small size that it can be streamed to people with a 6 mbps connection and still retain the look of the video while streaming high definition content at 60 fps. That is just amazing.

I imagine they would eventually have multiple render farms in every country. It would be subscription based. But it could be free. I read some article from years ago that Jules Urbach has had a vision that he wanted online community's to be free, so maybe this would use conceptual advertising like PS3 Home.

the market could also become bigger than all of the console makers annual sales put together, as you would only need a media set top box other wise known as iptv box and your playing, these are cheap and something like 500 millions users could get hold of one. Internet providers are becoming more and more affordable, give it 2 years more and they will have some big business.
 
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Flukester said:
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anyone who just shruggs this kind of vision off is not very forward thinking.. hell, did you say 'oh dear' when you first browsed a interweb forum ?

things often seem strange, but soon become the norm.. if a place like this worked with a fully functioning community sharing media, thoughts, ideas, immersive networking, business and gaming all combined it would make much of the internet seem pure archaic.

thank god for innovators

maybe tech aint up to a point to support the vision and it will fail, but it will happen at some point.. I can guarantee it
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No, you cannot guarantee it, but luckily for you the "will happen at some point" is a superb get out clause as you can never be wrong.
 
check out more on this site

http://therevolutionlifestyle.com/

from the above link

Utilizing cloud computing, a method in which several super computers are clustered together to work on one hive system, LivePlace intends to develop a virtual world much similar to Second Life but with near photo realistic visuals. According to the information available, City Scape will be an application that runs on practically any computer available today but will allow gamers to explore a nearly photo realistic city as if they were running a high tech game on a super computer. Instead the company itself will be doing the computer processing. You as a gamer will just be reaping the benefits. Check out these screenshots:





City Scape will allow consumers to explore a virtual world, buy properties such as an apartment, join public spaces like virtual restaurants and more. You will have the ability to choose an apartment or other building and configure it the way you want. Hang pictures, get furniture, share photos and videos from your computer on a TV screen and much more. It's like Sony's upcoming HOME but ten times better. Check out the lengthy in engine video demonstration here:


http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/09/otoy-...ing-technology/


The game will feature a dynamic day and night system as well as realtime weather changes. Remember the days of Second Life?





Well I am willing to bet that City Scape will eventually overshadow Second Life when it gets released and populated. City Scape, in theory can run on anything and everything and could potentially be released for the consoles and even mobile phones like the iPhone. I think the video in the above link should give you a good idea of what you can expect from not only the technology and graphics but also the game (or simulation!?) itself. It is definitely something I am interested in learning more about and I can't help but wonder if it will be free to play online or if consumers will need to pay a monthly fee to play.

I believe that simulations of this magnitude has the potential to be "World of Warcraft" big if the developers really push what can be done in the game. I think the developers will need to think outside the box and offer consumers things they can do in City Scape that cannot be done in real life. In one picture it shows that someone made a life like Transformer and walked around the city in it. Anyways, let me know your thoughts on this project in our forums.

At the same time AMD is talking about photo realistic game graphics and showing off pretty tech demos, gamers are still waiting for a graphics card capable of running Crysis on max settings. It sounds almost funny but AMD has been pushing out a new concept lately in which they dub the "Cinema 2.0" experience. They claim that pretty soon AMD graphics cards will be pushing out graphics comparable to those in Hollywood movies. Lets take a look at a few images that AMD claims is realtime running on AMD hardware:







The first screenshot is of a capture room in which a human, animal or object is placed into the room and gets captured in realtime to be added into the rendered environment. This is new technology that will theoretically allow game developers to create life like game assets and do so relatively easy. The other images are all said to be realtime graphics that apparently can be produced on two 4870X2 graphics cards in crossfired (from what I read a couple months back). There are also some videos available:


Ruby: http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_ty...MD_Ruby_S04.swf
Scorpion: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuR1wBCw_FU
Faces: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bz7AukqqaDQ


The first two videos I have posted a couple months back but the faces one is new. That video shows off what the faces look like with animations added to them. These visuals represent a step pass the Uncanny Valley into a realm of near photo realism but considering nothing today can play Crysis on max settings and get stable framerates, one is left wondering just how far off is it before graphics cards can actually run games with graphics of this calibur. Gamers who want to play Crysis on max everything are stuck with only the option of expensive SLI setups which costs thousands of dollars.

AMD promises to revolutionize gaming graphics while at the same time both AMD and Intel are working on future configurations which fuse both graphics processors with regular computer processors. This may lead to giant leaps in graphics capabilities or it may not. The first versions of this "AMD Fussion" and "Intel's Larrabee" seems like it will offer a graphics solutions similar to what is already on the market but there is no saying what future iterations of the technology might be capable of.

None the less we are slowly entering the realm of life like visuals. I would say that the above screenshots will represent graphics capabilities of games 5-7 years from now.

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Bengaboy said:
I think this looks awesome!!

Now all gamers can experience something truly fantastic :)

Am I right in saying that this is a lot like when you play a game like crysis on your behemoth pc, then can kind of stream it to your ps3 or eee pc and play it without any lag issues? I would provide a link, but I'm on my iPhone :)
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Yes, but each additional person added to the system puts an enormous extra strain on it to process both sets of images simultaneously which will be hugely inefficient due to the number of cache (gpu RAM, RAM, CPU cache, HDD cache) misses. I love the amount of blind hope on here though :)
 
Brad greenspan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brad_Greenspan is the co founder of my space and some other community sites, Liveplace.com is registered to him as well under a whois search. I read that he is launching this site later for this remarkable Otoy City Scape virtual world, with him on board it really looks like he believes this cloud rendering will work.

Here is old news from the creator of Light space rendering

http://www.debevec.org/LightStage3/

http://www.debevec.org

http://www.debevec.org/Items/
 
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