I'm so confused - do you want to be sued or prosecuted??
Publishers to fine 25,000 game pirates
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I'm so confused - do you want to be sued or prosecuted??
The burden of proof lies with the defendant in that case doesn't it? Afaik they have to prove someone else used their connection.
But anyone who doesn't have a secured wireless connection is asking for trouble tbh - it's not like they're especially hard to setup.
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Without reading any more posts in here, I think I'm just going to say that the people complaining are the ones who download in the first place...
I assume this is sarcasm? If not, pure lollage...
How dare all these developers be slightly angered by criminal downloading of their products...
Some people.
I assume this is sarcasm? If not, pure lollage...
How dare all these developers be slightly angered by criminal downloading of their products...
Some people.
HAH! Funny...Thing is, you wont go to Jail, you'll be lucky to goto Jail for mugging someone nowadays, but I shant go into that.
Demo's are demos, they give you a feel of the game, end of.
Reviews: Seriously, if you read a review, and it says "wow 9/10 buy buy buy!" And you buy it...Your a sap, read several reviews, and get personal opinions if you can, and play the demo, if your still uncertain, wait 3 months, and get it for a tenner. Everyones opinions are different, hence why reviews vary a lot of the time.
I've liked many games others haven't, cause my tastes differ.
You cannot justify downloading a game, someone try to please? There is non...YOU have downloaded it, out of your own will, because YOU can't be bothered, to spend some money on a present for yourself. If you don't know what the game is like??? Try the above ^^^
If you STILL don't know, bloody wait, and buy it second hand. That is what I did for Crysis, I knew it had it's iffy bits, so I didn't want to pay £30 for it, so guess what I did people? I waited two months, and got it for £10. And I enjoyed it, just as much as the demo.
The same with Assasins Creed, i heard it was repetitive, so guess what again? I waited funnily enough
It's hard eh? Maybe the publishers or whoever, want to finally teach people something. They have lost thousands, literally, cause of scum, quite literally.
Anyway, I can't be bothered, downlaod your games, I hope you get done over pretty much
Demo's are demos, they give you a feel of the game, end of.
Reviews: Seriously, if you read a review, and it says "wow 9/10 buy buy buy!" And you buy it...Your a sap, read several reviews, and get personal opinions if you can, and play the demo, if your still uncertain, wait 3 months, and get it for a tenner. Everyones opinions are different, hence why reviews vary a lot of the time.
I've liked many games others haven't, cause my tastes differ.
You cannot justify downloading a game, someone try to please? There is non...YOU have downloaded it, out of your own will, because YOU can't be bothered, to spend some money on a present for yourself. If you don't know what the game is like??? Try the above ^^^
If you STILL don't know, bloody wait, and buy it second hand. That is what I did for Crysis, I knew it had it's iffy bits, so I didn't want to pay £30 for it, so guess what I did people? I waited two months, and got it for £10. And I enjoyed it, just as much as the demo.
The same with Assasins Creed, i heard it was repetitive, so guess what again? I waited funnily enough
It's hard eh? Maybe the publishers or whoever, want to finally teach people something. They have lost thousands, literally, cause of scum, quite literally.
Anyway, I can't be bothered, downlaod your games, I hope you get done over pretty much
about time, can see this comming up a lot in the future they seem to be cracking down harder on illegal downloads.
how many time have you all heard the stupid "it doesnt matter im just one person they aint losing anything" crap. Dont they see that they are one of millions?
Also do they actually realise that a large majority of downloading site will give out there details on who has downloaded/connected to there tracker to save there own skin. Only a handful wouldnt due to there countries legal system.
If u really want a game/dvd grow some balls and walk into a store and steal it lol stop hiding behind the computer. Never understood how people dont think it is stealing lol.
how many time have you all heard the stupid "it doesnt matter im just one person they aint losing anything" crap. Dont they see that they are one of millions?
Also do they actually realise that a large majority of downloading site will give out there details on who has downloaded/connected to there tracker to save there own skin. Only a handful wouldnt due to there countries legal system.
If u really want a game/dvd grow some balls and walk into a store and steal it lol stop hiding behind the computer. Never understood how people dont think it is stealing lol.
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I love the old classic, "it was a rubbish game anyway, I would never have bought it."
yet, you downloaded it and played it to completion? Something not right there...
Or, "It's not as good as the previous game, they made a half assed job." Yet you downloaded it a played it to completion? Something not right there...
Why don't people just say, "I don't like paying for things and thought I'd just pirate it."
yet, you downloaded it and played it to completion? Something not right there...
Or, "It's not as good as the previous game, they made a half assed job." Yet you downloaded it a played it to completion? Something not right there...
Why don't people just say, "I don't like paying for things and thought I'd just pirate it."
Oh people know full well what they are doing is wrong - no matter how they attempt to justify their actions.
The problem is that up until just recently they have all been safe.
Sitting in their bedrooms, scared of the sun, downloading GBs of data each day and not paying a penny (justifying their actions of course).
Chances of getting caught - really quite minimal.
They wouldn't go and steal the same games/music off the shelves of their local store because there is a very good chance they would get caught.
Suddenly things are getting tighter and the theft is a little bit more risky.
This upsets them, potentially they now might get caught and there is a risk element.
Oh they will cry foul and all that - but only because they might not get away with things.
The problem is that up until just recently they have all been safe.
Sitting in their bedrooms, scared of the sun, downloading GBs of data each day and not paying a penny (justifying their actions of course).
Chances of getting caught - really quite minimal.
They wouldn't go and steal the same games/music off the shelves of their local store because there is a very good chance they would get caught.
Suddenly things are getting tighter and the theft is a little bit more risky.
This upsets them, potentially they now might get caught and there is a risk element.
Oh they will cry foul and all that - but only because they might not get away with things.
dont think pc games are expensive at all. I rarely buy a new full price £30 game every month because its crazy. Most new games you cant get for between 15-20 online. I think the last full price i paid was Mass Effect and The Witcher. Albeit mass effect is a tad overrated but i dont mind. Witcher more than makes it up for it lol.
Theres also a mass of games available under for £10, £5 etc from various online outlets. Just loads of great games.... i dont feel the need to always play the newest, most shiny graphics game thats out at the time.
Im guessing the people who download games are teenagers without jobs or poor students?
Theres also a mass of games available under for £10, £5 etc from various online outlets. Just loads of great games.... i dont feel the need to always play the newest, most shiny graphics game thats out at the time.
Im guessing the people who download games are teenagers without jobs or poor students?
yeah hope in a few years it should be just like going into a store and taking it off the shelves.
ISP are also helping more to catch them, cant hide from your isp lol. But only time will tell, will be fun to watch with all the crying on different forums lol.
ISP are also helping more to catch them, cant hide from your isp lol. But only time will tell, will be fun to watch with all the crying on different forums lol.
And we all have software thats fully paid for on all our PC's dont we, no one has a dodgy OS or office do we now..
I am not justifing illegal downloads, but if there is such a huge amount of people doing it, they make it sound over 50% then maybe it needs looking at. Why are they going after you and me and not the P2P server owners? why are they goping after someone who downloads a £10 game in their bedroom for themselfs when kids are mugging OAP's stabbing each other, stealing cars ect. Its a simple way to get newpaper headlines and yet another way for people to say the internet needs to be regulated by men in suits. Makes the people who are meant to be showing figures how good they are doing to stay in a job.
Just to clear up, i can see it is illegal today as the law says it is, but laws change, use to be to protect people, now its to protect people making money more and more. Be careful for if you think they will stop at illegal downloading, i think a lot of you need to take a long look at your own lifes and look at every bit you do that might be seen as illegal in the eyes of the law, no matter how 'commonsense' you think it makes. Soon, you wont have a PC it will be a terminal where you pay to log on everytime and pay to play a game, £5/ph sounds about right.
As for its only PC's that download games, dont make me laugh... there are more stalls and web sites for Play Stations and Xbox's and there little counterparts than there are PC's, why dont they go after all the chipping shops or the 3-6 year olds playing the copied games on the playstations??? imagine the outcry if they went after EVERYONE who has a illegal game/software. Imagine telling a 10 yearold, you owe me £300 or your going to jail. Hey its the law remeber.... if you use illegal software you pay a fine or jail, isnt that what we are all agreeing too??? well.... isnt it?
ColiN
I am not justifing illegal downloads, but if there is such a huge amount of people doing it, they make it sound over 50% then maybe it needs looking at. Why are they going after you and me and not the P2P server owners? why are they goping after someone who downloads a £10 game in their bedroom for themselfs when kids are mugging OAP's stabbing each other, stealing cars ect. Its a simple way to get newpaper headlines and yet another way for people to say the internet needs to be regulated by men in suits. Makes the people who are meant to be showing figures how good they are doing to stay in a job.
Just to clear up, i can see it is illegal today as the law says it is, but laws change, use to be to protect people, now its to protect people making money more and more. Be careful for if you think they will stop at illegal downloading, i think a lot of you need to take a long look at your own lifes and look at every bit you do that might be seen as illegal in the eyes of the law, no matter how 'commonsense' you think it makes. Soon, you wont have a PC it will be a terminal where you pay to log on everytime and pay to play a game, £5/ph sounds about right.
As for its only PC's that download games, dont make me laugh... there are more stalls and web sites for Play Stations and Xbox's and there little counterparts than there are PC's, why dont they go after all the chipping shops or the 3-6 year olds playing the copied games on the playstations??? imagine the outcry if they went after EVERYONE who has a illegal game/software. Imagine telling a 10 yearold, you owe me £300 or your going to jail. Hey its the law remeber.... if you use illegal software you pay a fine or jail, isnt that what we are all agreeing too??? well.... isnt it?
ColiN
I hate these people on here that presume that we all use pirated software. I use an official copy of Vista, and for my office I use Openoffice.
What I really don't understand is how people can freely admit to using illegally d'loaded games and apps without getting suspended or banned from these forums. I mean, you can't swear or mention competitors, which is all fair enough, but you can blatantly talk (almost brag at times!) about using down loaded games with no consequence.
Maybe a Mod would like to clarify?
If your router is unsecured and logging is turned off it's impossible to prove that the data went to someone else just as it's impossible to prove that it was you that downloaded it. Whilst you may need to prove on the balance of probabilities that it was not you that downloaded it as long as you live in a reasonably built up area (ie where other people could actually access your wifi) I'd imagine that wouldn't be hard at all.
Asking for trouble or asking to be able to use s28A?
I'd also point out that when ISPs were first giving away free routers the vast majority had security turned off by default. It may be easy for us to go in and turn it on, but turn round to most people and tell them to 'browse to 192.168.0.1, login to the admin account, choose security, probably want wpa..' and they'll rapidly get confused.
That is indeed what will happen I believe.
Everything will be regulated eventually, a lot of people have downloaded something, but it's the people who constantly upload all day 100's of Gigabytes of data. I agree with pretty much everything you have said by the way Colinuk, but I don't want to start rambling on about all of the other issues we have in society
I'll be here all day otherwise.
Everything will be regulated eventually, a lot of people have downloaded something, but it's the people who constantly upload all day 100's of Gigabytes of data. I agree with pretty much everything you have said by the way Colinuk, but I don't want to start rambling on about all of the other issues we have in society
I'll be here all day otherwise.It will never be like that. That would require a shakeup of IP law on an international level. TRIPs would need to be renegotiated. A tangible is not the same as a non-tangible. Permanent deprivation is not the same as rights infringement. Actual loss is not the same as assumed loss.
It's running at about 2.8% in Finland, 25% in the UK, same in America, 83% in China etc...
I'm sorry what? Nobody uses services where there are p2p server owners any more. The vast majority of p2p now is torrents. If you mean going after tracker sites, well they are. Mininova is being sued in, IIRC, Switzerland (although personally I think mininova will win) and The Pirate Bay is being sued in Sweden (although again they may win).
Because the RIAA pays over 40 lobbyists in America, because the big media companies spend over $60 million each year in the US alone on political donations, because it's a technology a lot of legislators don't understand (leading to one congressman branding the whole of the internet, not long ago, the 'Home Shoplifting Channel')
I totally accept that people download things illegally, I have been guilty of this on a few occasions.
But what really annoys me is people who try and justify it, as though it is some kind of basic human right. I'm sorry, but I believe the most common excuse ('I download the game to see what it's like, if its good I buy it') is BS 90% of the time.
Game devs and publishers run businesses, they need money to operate, they are not a charity to which they owe you entertainment. They could charge £100 for a game if they want to, doesn't make stealing it any more morally acceptable.
Carry on downloading and ruining the industry bit by bit, but at least be honest and admit that it's wrong please.
But what really annoys me is people who try and justify it, as though it is some kind of basic human right. I'm sorry, but I believe the most common excuse ('I download the game to see what it's like, if its good I buy it') is BS 90% of the time.
Game devs and publishers run businesses, they need money to operate, they are not a charity to which they owe you entertainment. They could charge £100 for a game if they want to, doesn't make stealing it any more morally acceptable.
Carry on downloading and ruining the industry bit by bit, but at least be honest and admit that it's wrong please.
I'll tell you why its happening - because its free, easy, and has no risk. Theres no grand social movements or widescale economic change, its just the plain old fact that people can get something for nothing without getting caught.
There are massive social movements in some countries based on piracy. Whilst not true in the UK you only have to look at Brazil (where artists dont even try to make money from their CDs any more) or Sweden (where there is a whole political party (with some support) to piracy).
It also does change the economic landscape - digital grows artists rights, and thus profits, hugely. As such it is the perfect moment to re-evaluate artists' profits.
It also does change the economic landscape - digital grows artists rights, and thus profits, hugely. As such it is the perfect moment to re-evaluate artists' profits.