The more I eat,the hungrier I get?

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But wouldn't even less die if you gave up the meat taste? and just ate the vegetables tasting of well vegetables.

As after all it's not like they do it once they continually try and improve the taste.

Probably not is the answer. I'll admit to not knowing for certain exactly how the tastes are refined but once you've got the basic approximation of the correct taste it surely becomes a process of adjusting the amounts of chemicals involved.

How far back do you want to go to establish culpability? Are people who take advantage of a product decades later developed through potentially morally unsound processes as guilty as those who undertook the initial decisions? Or is there an argument that it would be morally remiss not to take advantage so that the sacrifices of others were not in vain?
 
No you haven't; nature is not cruel, it is natural.

To paraphrase the wise words of the late great George Carlin "everything humans do is natural" - does that mean that we shouldn't try to give animals a more humane death where we can?

Why highlight a lion ripping apart its prey if we don't have to kill food for human consumption in that way?
 
but once you've got the basic approximation of the correct taste it surely becomes a process of adjusting the amounts of chemicals involved.

Well they probbably, try by matching synthetic proteins or chemicals that match similar receptors. to a rough composition in natural meet, but then they also have to do blind taste tests etc.


Or is there an argument that it would be morally remiss not to take advantage so that the sacrifices of others were not in vain?


But that argument could be used to get rid of vegetarianism's entirely (only for moral issues, not taste/religion etc) because, the animals are killed regardless of if they are eaten, if there is excess it is just wasted, you don;t save any animals, some just die in vain.
 
Why do animals need to be given a humane death?

Hum? is there something special about that part of the word to you?


And as i said I want my meat to taste nice.

+ a calm animal and a quick death with little fighting, is more efficient.

You just seem to want to needlessly torture them for personal reasons?
 
If we didn't need meat, we wouldn't have to go out of our way to find sources of iron and protein. 150 years ago, we wouldn't have known what foods contain iron.

Even as recently as 150 years ago, most people ate meat relatively rarely.

150 years ago, people didn't know what vitamins were. Does that mean humans don't need vitamins? Humans worked out what to eat a very long time before detailed analysis of foods.

Humans can thrive without eating meat. This has been repeatedly proven, many millions of times. Your assertion is ludicrous. If your assertion was true, anyone who attempted to live without eating meat would die.
 
But that argument could be used to get rid of vegetarianism's entirely (only for moral issues, not taste/religion etc) because, the animals are killed regardless of if they are eaten, if there is excess it is just wasted, you don;t save any animals, some just die in vain.

Not really, if there is less of a demand for meat then less animals will be bred for it, less to kill, less wastage overall eventually. The process of demand dictating supply is obviously not instant in this case due to the time it takes to raise animals but they do correlate. It is relatively expensive to breed and raise animals, if there was no demand for them then people wouldn't choose to expend the money on them only to slaughter them needlessly. Ask Dolph about market driven economics if you want to get into detail, he is one of their biggest proponents if I'm not mistaken.

Why do animals need to be given a humane death?

We'll go back to my point about pretending we are a civilised and compassionate society. If we want to claim that then we should not cause needless suffering. Let us not forget that humans are animals too. As Tefal suggests there have been taste tests which indicate that animals who have led a healthy and happy life with a death that involved minimal suffering taste better.
 
That doesn't look very healthy

If you want to eat healthy then stick to rabbit food and fruit. Most food had unhealthy stuff in it these days, just face it, you're going to die one day, you might aswell enjoy living whilst you can and the odd mud pie aint going to kill you!

5stone sounds awfull.

There is nothing wrong with killing cows and cheep to eat them, you dont get wild lions and all that turning vegitarian because they dont want to kill the animals they eat. Its the food chain, and humans eating animals is a part of the food chain and meat is healthy.
 
Not really, if there is less of a demand for meat then less animals will be bred for it, less to kill, less wastage overall eventually. The process of demand dictating supply is obviously not instant in this case due to the time it takes to raise animals but they do correlate. It is relatively expensive to breed and raise animals, if there was no demand for them then people wouldn't choose to expend the money on them only to slaughter them needlessly. Ask Dolph about market driven economics if you want to get into detail, he is one of their biggest proponents if I'm not mistaken.

Problem is it doesn't work so well with things like this, because there is so much risk (animals getting sick etc) that they always try to over produce, as having a bit of stock you can't sell at ideal price, is better than not having enough to meet your quota.
 
Problem is it doesn't work so well with things like this, because there is so much risk (animals getting sick etc) that they always try to over produce, as having a bit of stock you can't sell at ideal price, is better than not having enough to meet your quota.

It works about as well as it ought to given that supply and demand is not always an exact science, food production being trickier to regulate. If you have a greater demand for meat then the over-production will be comensurately greater as well and the converse is true. You appear to be suggesting that with a bit of over-production and wastage that everyone who is vegetarian for moral reasons ought to eat the surplus/over-production - if they do that then it will be viewed as demand rising and the meat production will be ramped up, creating an even larger surplus.
 
You don't get wild lions, reaching the moon, writing plays, or using a knife and fork either. :p

Its coz they aint intelligent. I think its stupid that vegetarians dont eat meat because they dont like them been killed when its part of life and the food chain.

I wonder if the OP turned vegetarian because his parents are or because he watched that thing on BBC where we seen the animals all happy and cheerful then been killed and cut apart. I found that sad when I watched it, but if I was there and got a plate from those put infront of me I'd get it down, its all good food, I just find vegetarian silly.

When I was little I remember going vegetarian for some odd reason, proberbly thought it was "cool" or something, yet I still ate chicken and fish :p
 
Its coz they aint intelligent. I think its stupid that vegetarians dont eat meat because they dont like them been killed when its part of life and the food chain.

Part and parcel of being intelligent, the ability to think and reach your own conclusions, to see a problem and find an answer that you want. The ability to decide whats right and wrong to you.
 
You don't get wild lions, reaching the moon, writing plays, or using a knife and fork either. :p

There's also the fact that lions are physically incapable of being vegetarians without heavy use of lab-made supplements, because they actually are carnivores. And that lab equipment is pretty hard to use with paws and claws.
 
Its coz they aint intelligent [refering to lions]. I think its stupid that vegetarians dont eat meat because they dont like them been killed when its part of life and the food chain.

As is murder and theft. Kill a rival, steal their resources. Perfectly natural, part of life, part of the food chain. Is it stupid to not murder people?
 
As is murder and theft. Kill a rival, steal their resources. Perfectly natural, part of life, part of the food chain. Is it stupid to not murder people?

all that happens everyday with humans as well, which just goes to show we a more like animals that a lot of people like to admit.
 
The meat in the shop has already been killed, it's not like you being vegetarian changes that (might change whether it gets thrown in the bin but not that it dies).

That argument makes no sense.
But it does make sense, becuase if there are more vegetarians, slowly the demand for meat products will go down, therefore less will be produced because less is being bought. simple stuff really
 
But it does make sense, becuase if there are more vegetarians, slowly the demand for meat products will go down, therefore less will be produced because less is being bought. simple stuff really

and the breeds of animals that you are trying to stop dieing will die out because there is no need for them any more...
 
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