Vegetarian Pets
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I started a thread on this a couple of years back as I know a vegan women who forces a vegetarian diet on her dog. It makes me so mad.
It's really simple. Give your cat/dog the choice. Give them two bowls - one with a meat dish and one with a vegetarian substitute and let them choose. I wonder which they'll go for, hmmmmm? Give it a few months and give them the choice again (you know, just in case they've come to an informed decision...) and so on.
I have no problem with vegetarians as long as they're not the "high-and-mighty" kind, but vegans can go bite my shinny metal one
It's really simple. Give your cat/dog the choice. Give them two bowls - one with a meat dish and one with a vegetarian substitute and let them choose. I wonder which they'll go for, hmmmmm? Give it a few months and give them the choice again (you know, just in case they've come to an informed decision...) and so on.
I have no problem with vegetarians as long as they're not the "high-and-mighty" kind, but vegans can go bite my shinny metal one
There must be more to it that than, surely?
Actually I find the vegans much more tolerable and less likely to criticise my own eating habits, in a very 'live and let live' sort of way. They accept their habits are not normal. I can't help but think the dog food is just a horrible way to cash in on vegetarian / vegan good will.I have no problem with vegetarians as long as they're not the "high-and-mighty kind) but vegans can go bite my shinny metal one
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thats why if i had enough money, id pay thousands of people to go around killing and torturing animals and putting it up on the internet, not because i find it fun but just to annoy them.. That! is fun..
The proper way to feed a dog, is to eat meat with bones and because you dont completely finish it, you throw it on the floor etc and let the dog chew on the bone with a nice bit of meat on it.
I think the worst is FAT dogs and cats, seen one fat dog and it could barely walk, prob dead by now
The proper way to feed a dog, is to eat meat with bones and because you dont completely finish it, you throw it on the floor etc and let the dog chew on the bone with a nice bit of meat on it.
I think the worst is FAT dogs and cats, seen one fat dog and it could barely walk, prob dead by now
If they're anything like ours, both
Yeah, one of our cats was presented with an unguarded plate with green beans or bacon.......he ran off with a bean and sat munching it for ages
Maybe my theory is fail then...
Not saying that it's a good idea to put your dog on a vegetarian diet, but contrary to what some people think, dogs do eat plant material in the wild, they are not strictly carnivores and are fully capable of digesting vegetables.
Never understand why you would want to eat meat, it's tasty.
Also, if you try and enforce your views on your children or enforce them on your pets, and you are a cruel arse and a bad parent in my eyes.
Animals eat meat, kids need to make their own dietary decisions, not have their parents force them NOT to eat something which is good for them.
Also, if you try and enforce your views on your children or enforce them on your pets, and you are a cruel arse and a bad parent in my eyes.
Animals eat meat, kids need to make their own dietary decisions, not have their parents force them NOT to eat something which is good for them.
platinum87 hit the nail on the head. The best, and only truly appropriate, food for dogs and cats consists of raw meaty bones, offal and carcases. My working dogs and relatives cats have grown up on nothing but fresh raw meaty bones, and whole carcasses (rabbits, hares, whole fish, pheasants, pigeons). They're 100% healthy, and I've never had an animal at the vets due to illness in as long as I can remember.
Feeding dogs and cats a processed junk food diet (dry food, canned food) causes more illness and misery than 99% of pet owners know. It also costs them a fortune in vet bills. For example, by the age of 3 more than 95% of dogs and cats fed a processed diet suffer from periodontal disease at a level warranting surgical intervention. This rises to 100% after a few more years. Dogs and cats fed a natural diet of raw meaty bones, offal and whole carcasses don't suffer from it at all.
Periodontal disease and a processed diet leads to extreme dental pain, oral infection, septicaemia, organ poisoning, arthritis, auto-immune disease, diabetes, cancer, heart disease and eventually death. "Dog breath" is actually the first symptom of periodontal disease (the diseased gingiva give off a foul smell), and no dog or cat fed an appropriate diet has bad breath at all. They have pearly white teeth even in old age (check your dogs' and cats' teeth now and see what colour/smell they are!).
Dogs and cats NEED to eat other animals (and large parts thereof) to clean their teeth. Ripping, tearing and gnawing at flesh on bone scrapes and polishes their teeth. Lack of that action on a regular basis causes dirty teeth and bad breath, and eventually periodontal disease and all its ills. Processed pet food is the cause of the majority of the ills faced by modern dogs.
A lot of vets are quick to tell you not to feed your dog bones (but certainly not all). Those same vets are then as quick to recommend their preferred brand of dry food (you can buy it on your way out the door! *cough*). They're just as quick to recommend you have your dog's/cat's teeth cleaned annually under anaesthetic (~£150) plus sell you all manner of drugs, lotions, potions and pills for the ailments they develop thanks to that junk 'food'.
Even the pet food industry admits their foods cause illness if you look at their own research and published findings. But it's a multi billion pound industry, so...
Anyone wanting to learn more, I highly recommend you pick up a copy of Raw Meaty Bones: Promote Health or Work Wonders: Feed Raw Meaty Bones by Dr Tom Lonsdale. He's a a vet who, with a group of other vets annoyed at the junk food industry and the veterinary bodies' compliance in the "junk food fraud", set up a lobby group and started evengelising a natural diet for pets' long term health. He has a website HERE.
EDIT: Energize look up some of Mech's decades of published findings after spending many years following wild dogs and wolves. He found time and again that they do not eat vegetable matter out of choice, and contrary to the popular myth espoused by vets/junk food folks they don't eat the stomach contents of their prey either
Feeding dogs and cats a processed junk food diet (dry food, canned food) causes more illness and misery than 99% of pet owners know. It also costs them a fortune in vet bills. For example, by the age of 3 more than 95% of dogs and cats fed a processed diet suffer from periodontal disease at a level warranting surgical intervention. This rises to 100% after a few more years. Dogs and cats fed a natural diet of raw meaty bones, offal and whole carcasses don't suffer from it at all.
Periodontal disease and a processed diet leads to extreme dental pain, oral infection, septicaemia, organ poisoning, arthritis, auto-immune disease, diabetes, cancer, heart disease and eventually death. "Dog breath" is actually the first symptom of periodontal disease (the diseased gingiva give off a foul smell), and no dog or cat fed an appropriate diet has bad breath at all. They have pearly white teeth even in old age (check your dogs' and cats' teeth now and see what colour/smell they are!).
Dogs and cats NEED to eat other animals (and large parts thereof) to clean their teeth. Ripping, tearing and gnawing at flesh on bone scrapes and polishes their teeth. Lack of that action on a regular basis causes dirty teeth and bad breath, and eventually periodontal disease and all its ills. Processed pet food is the cause of the majority of the ills faced by modern dogs.
A lot of vets are quick to tell you not to feed your dog bones (but certainly not all). Those same vets are then as quick to recommend their preferred brand of dry food (you can buy it on your way out the door! *cough*). They're just as quick to recommend you have your dog's/cat's teeth cleaned annually under anaesthetic (~£150) plus sell you all manner of drugs, lotions, potions and pills for the ailments they develop thanks to that junk 'food'.
Even the pet food industry admits their foods cause illness if you look at their own research and published findings. But it's a multi billion pound industry, so...
Anyone wanting to learn more, I highly recommend you pick up a copy of Raw Meaty Bones: Promote Health or Work Wonders: Feed Raw Meaty Bones by Dr Tom Lonsdale. He's a a vet who, with a group of other vets annoyed at the junk food industry and the veterinary bodies' compliance in the "junk food fraud", set up a lobby group and started evengelising a natural diet for pets' long term health. He has a website HERE.
EDIT: Energize look up some of Mech's decades of published findings after spending many years following wild dogs and wolves. He found time and again that they do not eat vegetable matter out of choice, and contrary to the popular myth espoused by vets/junk food folks they don't eat the stomach contents of their prey either
EDIT: Energize look up some of Mech's decades of published findings after spending many years following wild dogs and wolves. He found time and again that they do not eat vegetable matter out of choice, and contrary to the popular myth espoused by vets/junk food folks they don't eat the stomach contents of their prey either
I generally don't take one persons studies alone as fact. But regardless it shows that they do eat plant material in the wild and can survive on it.
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Mech is the recognised world leader in the study of wild wolves and canids. He's not alone though, and those who have actually studied them in the wild agree with his findings. I recommended him specifically precisely because of his world renowned status as an expert in the matter.
There's a huge difference between 'surviving' and thriving. Your pet dogs and cats could 'survive' on white bread and water. They'd have all manner of diseases and lack in energy, and would die very young compared to a well fed sibling, but they'd 'survive'. That's not what we want for our pets, is it?
There's a huge difference between 'surviving' and thriving. Your pet dogs and cats could 'survive' on white bread and water. They'd have all manner of diseases and lack in energy, and would die very young compared to a well fed sibling, but they'd 'survive'. That's not what we want for our pets, is it?
In what way? As you know there are people who feed their dogs vegetarian diets and they survive. (probably not very well though).
I said it wasn't.
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He was probably referring to certain disreputable breeders who knowingly inbreed to enhance certain features.
I was just pointing out that being able to survive for a short time on something (in this case plant matter) doesn't equate to health or longevity. Just because they 'could' survive on plant matter if desperate, for a short time, it doesn't mean they don't actually require their carnivorous diet when it's available. Dogs are now proven to be nothing more than visually altered Grey wolves, and have as such been reclassified as Canis lupus familiaris.
Previously they were Canis familiaris, and the Grey wolf was Canis lupus lupus. Since the study of mitochondrial DNA has shown (once and for all) that domestic dogs are in fact just modified wolves, they were reclassified. Dogs and wolves are both carnivores by nature, as their dentition and classification shows.
Ignore the money making pet food propaganda and blind vets who call them omnivores. All the scientific authorities (and anyone with half a grain of knowledge of anatomy and dentistry) will tell you they're clearly carnivorous. A diet full of plant matter, grain and soggy foodstuffs is a recipe (pardon the pun) for illness and early death.
By eating dried food and canned food, they not only ingest inappropriate ingredients, they're eating food of the wrong consistency. Consistency is at least as important as content in the diet of a carnivore, for the sake of their teeth and gums. Shearing meat from bone, and crunching and eating edible bone (ribs, wings, necks, backs etc) cleans teeth wonderfully.
Conversely, dried food and canned food becomes a pappy gooey mess and lodges along the gum-line and between teeth, stirring up hoardes of bacteria and facilitating the development of periodontal disaese. My dogs have never ever eaten 'pet food' and they're literally as fit as butchers' dogs (think where that term came from - it certainly wasn't due to Butchers' pet food lol)...
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Yeah as kids we had an Alsatian that was bought up on a non meat diet ,she was very healthy and lived to a good age .