2008 European GP - Race 12/18

Duke said:
Have to admit the funniest bit was Massa blaming Sutil :)
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I'll join in there. It was brilliant.

The mistake was completely indefensible. It wouldn't have harmed Massa's chances of winning if they'd not let him go for an extra second, since he was in a completely different race to everyone else.

I know there's always the niggling point that Sutil could have breathed out of the throttle given that Massa was a lap ahead, but still - Ferrari could, and should, have let Massa know that someone was nipping up the pitlane at that moment.

Massa, being the team player he is, didn't blame Ferrari. And given that he has championship aspirations, he didn't blame himself either. So who was to blame? Well, it had to be the backmarker who got in his way, didn't it? What right did he have being there anyway?

God help these guys if the stewards ever revert to late '80s/early '90s type. Anyone remember Mansell getting baulked horrendously* by Grouillard in qually for one race? No grid penalty, or fine, or suspended ban. Not much mention at all, actually. It was just a fact of life. Come back F1 from 15-20 years ago, all is forgiven....




* - I'm not kidding, for those who never saw it. 1990 San Marino GP, it was a properly ******* piece of driving by Grouillard....but at the end of the day it was just bad luck for Mansell that he came across the talentless knobber while on a flying lap.
 
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I think after this weekend we need to ask ourselves this question.

Keeping in mind that similar incidents have taken place this season, UNMENTIONED and UNPUNISHED.

Was the mere mention of a potential penalty justifiable for Massa/Ferrari?

If the answer is no then one can assume that the FIA was picking on Ferrari :D
And that the FIA are inconsistent yet again...
And that Ferrari have been screwed out of 10k Euro
(And that James Allen is a long groinal dangly thing).
 
realscot said:
My favourite quote from James Allen this weekend was (not word for word accurate) "Look at the G meter into the braking zone, WOW! thats 5G pushing him back into the seat"

Okay.. 5G pushing back into the seat under braking? was he going backwards like rosberg in practice? noooo... so James.. your an idiot.
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Ye I spotted that bit and just thought what a tool he is :D
 
Ok, I was away this weekend, and Im now asking myself WHY OH WHY did I stay up this late to watch the recording of the GP, especially when I'm in work at 7, to see a race so BORING! I counted 1 overtake! 1!!

And as said, the only interesting things were missed by ad breaks!

Roll on the BBC coverage, and my god I hope Bernie doesnt keep with his "street circuits are the future" philosophy!

I didnt like the Valencia track before this race as it lacked any character or interest, and looked like they were driving round my local trading estate. Its also proved to be a rubbish race! Unfortunately it doesnt have the Prestige of Monaco, So hopefully, will be replaced within a few years!

EDIT: Oh, and the Podium just played, Lewis gets booed... Spain, its such a lovely contry...

Ok, rant over, im off to bed. Hopefully the next GP will be more exciting! Especially seen as ILL BE THERE!! :)
 
JRS said:
What d'you expect, given his history with their Messiah™? ;)
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To be honest, painted black faces and the burning of images of Lewis by men in white hoods... booing and whistling is tame for the Spanish.

No overtaking, the only excitement being off track, and not even a sellout in this apparent F1 hot spot, all make Bernies decision to go here look even more stupid. And meanwhile Britain, the home of a whole load of F1 teams, and a massively popular GP, is strugling to keep a place on the calendar in favor for these new Hotel and Hospitality complexes in Exotic places, that happen to have the odd bit of road to drive round in a line on near by...

F1 is DEFINATELY not about the fans anymore...
 
Article in the Times this morning, Hamilton calling for improvements in the McLaren car. He seemed to think that they wouldn't be coming any time soon though.

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Skeeter said:
No overtaking, the only excitement being off track, and not even a sellout in this apparent F1 hot spot, all make Bernies decision to go here look even more stupid. And meanwhile Britain, the home of a whole load of F1 teams, and a massively popular GP, is strugling to keep a place on the calendar in favor for these new Hotel and Hospitality complexes in Exotic places, that happen to have the odd bit of road to drive round in a line on near by...

F1 is DEFINATELY not about the fans anymore...
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I'm reserving judgement on this place until they go there with the new rules next year. Besides, first time out at tracks can be deceptive - the first race at the Barcelona track was quite exciting, and look what a snooze-fest it's been ever since.....
 
realscot said:
My favourite quote from James Allen this weekend was (not word for word accurate) "Look at the G meter into the braking zone, WOW! thats 5G pushing him back into the seat"

Okay.. 5G pushing back into the seat under braking? was he going backwards like rosberg in practice? noooo... so James.. your an idiot.
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I heard that and it was pretty funny. JA seems to have a fundamental lack of understanding of physics.
 
I was at the European GP sitting at turn 19 not particularly cheap seats around 840 euro for 2 including booking and i will agree it was a pretty poor grand prix and that’s not just for the racing.

Staff on entering the F1 took all lids of people so if you took a bottle of water in the lid would be confiscated. (we obviously grew wise to this after the first day and took extra lids in our pocket).

They also disallowed you to take in your own beer so my carryout on Thursday got confiscated so they could try to charge 8 Euros a beer again we got wise to this and planked the beer good!.

Thats my second GP the other was Monza compared to Monza it was a complete joke.

I will post some pics they are limited as i have a knackered circulate ligament which is did 2 days before flying out.

I did eat my dinner next to Rubens Barrichello and Ross Braun & co on the Friday night for the record the restaurant was crap & on the Sunday I met Nick Heidfield out with his missed getting some massive ice creams.
 
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mjt said:
he said something else unbelievable retarded too, along the lines of, "three different teams in the top 3. with three different drivers" (massa, hamilton, kubica).
****ing idiot.
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If Murray said that it would have been great though.
James Allan is just a nob :p


Amps said:
Staff on entering the F1 took all lids of people so if you took a bottle of water in the lid would be confiscated. (we obviously grew wise to this after the first day and took extra lids in our pocket).
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What the hell? That's just really weird. :/
 
Theu just wanted to charge around 5 euros for a small bottle of water and 8 Euros for a beer or 12 for a large beer.

Complete Con
 
Cavallino said:
I think after this weekend we need to ask ourselves this question.

Keeping in mind that similar incidents have taken place this season, UNMENTIONED and UNPUNISHED.

Was the mere mention of a potential penalty justifiable for Massa/Ferrari?

If the answer is no then one can assume that the FIA was picking on Ferrari :D
And that the FIA are inconsistent yet again...
And that Ferrari have been screwed out of 10k Euro
(And that James Allen is a long groinal dangly thing).
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Im not sure about the narrowness of the pitlane in the other incidents however undoubtedly this weekend it WAS dangerous - whether it was Ferrari/McLaren/ or any other team on the inside (nearest the garages)

There was no point at all in giving Ferrari that kind of fine, fgs even I could pay that fine from my current account (yes it would hurt like **** for me) its not even a drop in the ocean for a huge corporation like Ferrari - why even bother?

Maybe Massa didnt deserve to be penalised but if the FIA where penalising the driver with a drive thru penalty in GP2 then at the very least in F1 the penalty should be the same (if not worse as the team should be more experienced/better quality/trained)

Maybe a suitable punishment would have been deducting Ferrari points from the constructor championship, but even then its not likely that will make much of a difference

Most boring track (at least Hungary has elevation changes and differences around the track side - one breeze block after another doesnt make a track Bernie) and pretty diabolical race - at least there were some retirements - I did chuckle at FA being knocked out within a couple of corners of his "home" GP
 
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FrankJH said:
Im not sure about the narrowness of the pitlane in the other incidents however undoubtedly this weekend it WAS dangerous - whether it was Ferrari/McLaren/ or any other team on the inside (nearest the garages)

There was no point at all in giving Ferrari that kind of fine, fgs even I could pay that fine from my current account (yes it would hurt like **** for me) its not even a drop in the ocean for a huge corporation like Ferrari - why even bother?

Maybe Massa didnt deserve to be penalised but if the FIA where penalising the driver with a drive thru penalty in GP2 then at the very least in F1 the penalty should be the same (if not worse as the team should be more experienced/better quality/trained)

Maybe a suitable punishment would have been deducting Ferrari points from the constructor championship, but even then its not likely that will make much of a difference

Most boring track (at least Hungary has elevation changes and differences around the track side - one breeze block after another doesnt make a track Bernie) and pretty diabolical race - at least there were some retirements - I did chuckle at FA being knocked out within a couple of corners of his "home" GP
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Well take a look again at the Germany video. Due to the lollipop guys letting drivers onto the pit lane with no consideration... Alonso and another driver travelled down the pitlane and eventually Alonso was forced onto the white line ontrack i.e. another infringement caused because of this issue.
 
Cavallino said:
I think after this weekend we need to ask ourselves this question.

Keeping in mind that similar incidents have taken place this season, UNMENTIONED and UNPUNISHED.

Was the mere mention of a potential penalty justifiable for Massa/Ferrari?

If the answer is no then one can assume that the FIA was picking on Ferrari :D
And that the FIA are inconsistent yet again...
And that Ferrari have been screwed out of 10k Euro
(And that James Allen is a long groinal dangly thing).
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well said
ferrari should have paid nothing as they did nothing wrong
no idea where all these people are getting it was dangerous from lol
 
FrankJH said:
Maybe a suitable punishment would have been deducting Ferrari points from the constructor championship, but even then its not likely that will make much of a difference
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interesting
here is your comment from the german gp thread when alonso and vettel took much more risks in the pitlane

FrankJH said:
Penalty for Alonso going over the exit white line of the pit lane?
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how come you never demanded team points docked back then
in fact you dont even seem to care what went on in the pitlane prior to alonso being bumped over the white line
 
TheStig1 said:
interesting
here is your comment from the german gp thread when alonso and vettel took much more risks in the pitlane



how come you never demanded team points docked back then
in fact you dont even seem to care what went on in the pitlane prior to alonso being bumped over the white line
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Alonso was driving onto the pit lane exit onto the track over the white line - that is a driver error nothing to do with the team and how they released him

Certainly last season other DRIVERS where penalised with a drive through for driving over the same white line (Im thinking of the white line after the pit lane "de-limiter" line that seperates the rest of the track from the - feeding in - part of the pit lane

While its part of the pit lane, its a definite driving error rather than the timing of when a car is released from the garage and he cant see behind him
 
TheStig1 said:
no idea where all these people are getting it was dangerous from lol
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What would have happened if the next team in the pitlane was ready to recieve another car?

Or someone was just walking in the pitlane not expecting a Ferrari next to a Force India car.

Maybe it didn't look that dangerous because there were very little people in the pitlane when it happened but it could have turned out much worse.

The thing I don't understand is that if you drive 1mph too fast in the pitlane you get a drivethrough but driving side by side in the pitlane is just a fine, to me the latter is much more dangerous than the former :confused:
 
FrankJH said:
Alonso was driving onto the pit lane exit onto the track over the white line - that is a driver error nothing to do with the team and how they released him
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i suggest you go watch the video again as the incident had everything to do with when they released him from the pits
and crossing the white line is allowed at some tracks it all depends however if you wish to revisit the incident you will see why alonso was bumped over the white line

Dutch Guy said:
What would have happened if the next team in the pitlane was ready to recieve another car?
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there was no other team ferrari was in the last garage
and people do not just walk about the pitlane at random lol
 
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