Just got caught doing '60' in a 30

[PardonTheWait]

To be honest Mohinder I can't think of a situation where its 'acceptable' to do 100mph in a 30mph zone. 'Not the end of the world', sure, but 'acceptable'?

By acceptable I mean not particularly dangerous. And bear in mind I mean on a motorcycle, which can hit 100 pretty sharpish.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think people should be starting street races outside schools at 3.30pm, but there's roads all over the country that are for some inexplicable reason a 30 limit, and in the dead of night during the week, there's no one there. No one, at all.

So there's nothing except you, over a mile of straight empty road, and your speedometer staring you down.

Anyone would pin it down that road.

 

[Gaygle]

It does in my case. 10mph, car pulls out on me, I bump into them. 30mph, I go over the bonnet and snap my neck.

Oh right, so your neck has the ability to remain intact at 10mph, but at 30mph your neck instantly snaps? Ain't the body a weird thing?!

Quiz time.

People you know that have been killed by speeding drivers in 30 limits in the dead of night! gogogo! Work it out.

Actually no work out necessary! I know one person. He was drunk, was on a pavement, tripped into the road, white van man doing around 50mph in a 30mph collided with him. And surprisingly this was at about 3-4am after a party.

Things you may have missed about the situations I describe:

1) takes no time at all to hit the ton on a bike - how is that even relevant? If it takes you 0.1 seconds to reach 100mph and it takes me 100seconds to reach 100mph - what's the difference? We'll still both be doing 100mph

2) There are many many many nonsensical 30 limits in this country - Nonsensical to people who don't know the roads. Probably nonsensical to 99.99% of people who travel down that road - because they're fortunate enough not to be faced with the hazard that the road maybe well renound for

3) Seriously, who are these people that stand in the middle of the road in the middle of nowhere at 4am in the morning? - Yes, because obviously people are the only thing in the road at 4am. Being a biker, i really thought you'd be aware of other dangers ie. animals? Try hitting a deer at 60/100mph on your bike, then rewind and hit it at 30mph and i'll be willing to put my bottom dollar on the fact that you suffer less serious injuries in the 30mph scenario.


A) You don't have to - Well actually, i did really.

B) You think you do because you're an idiot - Obviously i'm the idiot, afterall it was me who suggested that wearing body armour (seriously...wtf) and having an anti malaria injection would decrease the risk of serious injury, the same as if i did 30mph instead of 60mph in a 30mph zone.


There is no playing dumb. There is your purposely disregarding everything sensible that's been said in this thread in favour of:

SPEEDING KILLS

ooo i was wondering when somebody was going to try and paint me as one of those "speeding kills" guys. But i have some news for you! Sorry - not me. You can try reading back over all my past comments about speeding if you want and in all of them i've condemned stupid speed camera placements, stupid 70mph speed limits on clear motorways and most other things regarding speed. And what "sensible" things have i disregarded in this thread? Your body armour comment? You anti malaria injection comment? Your "i might drop down dead in an hour comment"? hmmm....


Nice job on twisting my ****ing words. - Are you finding it that hard to have a constructive debate without resorting to swearing every 3.5464 seconds?

nudged the ton, in the dead of night, on a deserted industrial estate

is not the same as

200mph everywhere
500 cigarettes
doing heroin

You've totally missed what the above comment was pointed at. You were arguing that you might fall down dead in an hour so that *somehow* makes driving dangerously acceptable?

Seriously. You look like an imbecile. - BRB the ironing is done.

 

[[TW]Fox]

in the dead of night during the week, there's no one there. No one, at all.

Thing is, thats what the OP thought. The road was empty. Well except for the marked cop car

 

[PardonTheWait]

NO PERSONAL ATTACKS

 

[[TW]Fox]

Oh right, so your neck has the ability to remain intact at 10mph, but at 30mph your neck instantly snaps? Ain't the body a weird thing?!

I thought his point was fairly obvious - at 10mph he remains on the bike but at 30mph he is thrown off it?

What do you drive btw? I ask because when I drove around in an awful pile of utter crap which took 16 years to hit 60 I didnt understand why people exceeded the posted speed limit either.

 

[PardonTheWait]

I would just like to add at this point I once raced a Nissan Skyline up the A127, mid afternoon on a summery Sunday, and I rolled off at an indicated 137mph

My then girlfriend was riding pillion.

I know you don't want to admit it, but that actually does make me cooler than you.

 

[Gaygle]

I thought his point was fairly obvious - at 10mph he remains on the bike but at 30mph he is thrown off it?

I was trying to point out to him that just because he hits something at 30mph doesn't automatically mean his injuries will be 3x worse than if he hits it at 10mph.

What do you drive btw? I ask because when I drove around in an awful pile of utter crap which took 16 years to hit 60 I didnt understand why people exceeded the posted speed limit either.

I drive a Primera GT. And by arguing the point that i have done in this thread, i have mis-represented myself to people reading, that i am some sort of speed kills freak. But that literally couldn't be further from the truth. The one thing i do respect though, are 30mph limits - and this does not mean i do 25 mph through them, in fact i usually do 35 or so, but to consider 100mph "acceptable" is a whole different thing.

It's also the way he's coming across in this thread that i am making judgements about him - i think he's the only one that's felt the need to swear repeatedly (and make personal attacks) whereas everyone else has debated calmly. Also the fact that he knows there is "no one" around at 3am.

 

[VortexA1]

Near a road where I live there is a really quiet patch of road - just an industrial site entrance . I was cycling down that particular route when a pair of motorbikes must have haired down that road that looked 80 to me. It's a 40 speed limit - I thought 'what idiots.'

However the road looks 'safe' to speed.


A few days later I went down the same route and there were flowers on the side of the road - a cyclist had been knocked down and killed by a motorbike at a similar time to when I was cycling the other day .

It was a speeding motorbike.

Just cos you think 'this road is safe' doesn't mean something could happen that you didn't expect and if it does your safety margin in nigh on zero that can kill yourself/passengers ,pedestrians etc.

I have been driving 20 years - you can never be too careful where lives are involved and just because you think it's safe doesn't mean it is.

 

[Gaygle]

I would just like to add at this point I once raced a Nissan Skyline up the A127, mid afternoon on a summery Sunday, and I rolled off at an indicated 137mph

My then girlfriend was riding pillion.

I know you don't want to admit it, but that actually does make me cooler than you.

Totally different thing. 137mph on a (hopefully) clear dual carriageway is not nearly the same as doing 100mph through a 30mph. It's not even close. Do you really think i'd have bothered repeatedly posting in this thread if you had said that instead of mentioning you doing 100mph in a 30mph?

And we all know, going fast, when it's safe, is cool

 

[VortexA1]

I would just like to add at this point I once raced a Nissan Skyline up the A127, mid afternoon on a summery Sunday, and I rolled off at an indicated 137mph

My then girlfriend was riding pillion.

I know you don't want to admit it, but that actually does make me cooler than you.

No that doesn't make you cool at all - actually quite stupid if you're proud of that!

 

[Robosapien]

I think he's being satirical or something,...isn't he?!

 

[Begbie]

I think he's being satirical or something,...isn't he?!

Can only hope.

 

[z0mbi3]

Don't get me wrong, I don't think people should be starting street races outside schools at 3.30pm, but there's roads all over the country that are for some inexplicable reason a 30 limit, and in the dead of night during the week, there's no one there. No one, at all.

I can't see the sense in going up to a 100 in a 30 just because you can.

Granted you say there's no one about, but in a 30 zone, regardless of the time there's bound to be a few places where someone could appear from no where.

I'm not saying you'll ever cause an accident yourself, but there's bound to be loads of other drivers / riders who've killed either their selves or someone else because they shared the same mentality as you.

 

[Ed]

I can't believe what I'm reading. Mohinder, so you're a rider and you claim to have nudged a ton in a thirty and then you insult (FAQ) people who dare to question you and call them names. Would you speak like that to an officer who caught you?

You also claim to be an expert judge of when it's safe to bust speed limits so you can safely ride at speed on "slow" roads. This is fine in itself, good judgement is the key to safe driving/riding at ANY speed in ALL conditions, the variables are too wide to list, but, you appear to have some authoritative judgement above all others to the point of hopefully arrogance and not ignorance because ignorance is dangerous.

You do realise it's not just you on the road? What if little Micky Smith in his Fiesta judged a road to be safe to do 45 in a 30 but by your standards it wasn't. It could be you, judging it to be a 25 in a 30 for whatever reason, that get's caught out. This is the fundamental argument with it. You can't decide what's a safe speed because it means we all can and when that happens, horrific accidents happen because not everybody has your expert judgement on a given road condition.

I know too many plonkers who race at night side by side waiting for headlights to inform them someone is coming the other way. Their assumption is that the owner of these headlights is doing the speed limit so they can correct their road position accordingly and avert an impact. All it needs is Mohinder judging it to be safe to do 80 and they couldn't respond in time. Fault here, is irrelevant as that's an issue for the law but damn, someone is going to get hurt or killed. In real life Mohinder, this really happens.

Rule: Never judge others by your standards.

This alone means you cannot justify doing 100 in a 30 anywhere. There really isn't a condition that you could argue warrants this but we already know that because you haven't really countered the point, you just insult people here with your personal attacks.

This childish behaviour doesn't give me confidence in your ability to judge a safe place to hit a ton without risk and I'm surprised you're still alive. Let's hope it stays that way and you continue to ride safely.

 

[Ed]

on my NRG 50. It was more like 50mph, but ya know. I haven't got google earth so I can't show my route, however there was zero traffic around and yes it's not hard to ride a ped, but I'm confident in my riding skills. Still doesn't mean I won't hit anyone etc, I know, but we've all done it.

As I stated in the response to Mohinder, it's a judgement and by that post, we can assume your perceptions are poor due to inexperience. Have fun by all means but keep it safe, eh?!

What I wanna know is why they let me off. No evidence?

Why do people ask this? "I got caught being a prat; how do I get away with it?".

Just accept it, learn from it and get on with it.

 

[Frazzles]

Right:-

We all know that speeding can be safe in the right circumstances.

The problem occurs when thick people take to the road and speed.

When you have a brain, you speed in the places you can, when you are a thick ****er like 50% of the public are, then you would probably speed in the stupidest of places.

I get sick of this "ooo speeding kills" moniker, as I usually tell people what speeds I have done in various situations and they start getting all righteous. Sometimes 146mph is safe on a motorway, conditions allowing.

The speed people travel at on the M6 Expressway is interesting, I wonder what the accident rate for that road is ? Im guessing it's probably not high.

 

[z0mbi3]

Right:-

We all know that speeding can be safe in the right circumstances.

The problem occurs when thick people take to the road and speed.

When you have a brain, you speed in the places you can, when you are a thick ****er like 50% of the public are, then you would probably speed in the stupidest of places.

I get sick of this "ooo speeding kills" moniker, as I usually tell people what speeds I have done in various situations and they start getting all righteous. Sometimes 146mph is safe on a motorway, conditions allowing.

The speed people travel at on the M6 Expressway is interesting, I wonder what the accident rate for that road is ? Im guessing it's probably not high.

Most people here (if not all) accept that motorway speed limits do little to nothing for safety. This threads about all your other 30 mph roads that people are speeding on.

 

[Ed]

We all know that speeding can be safe in the right circumstances.

The problem occurs when thick people take to the road and speed.

When you have a brain, you speed in the places you can, when you are a thick ****er like 50% of the public are, then you would probably speed in the stupidest of places.

We're human. Everyone makes a bad call from time to time. Judgement is judgement. There's nothing objective about it which means out of 100 people you'll likely get 100 different opinions, regardless of intellect.

I get sick of this "ooo speeding kills" moniker

Speeding does in most cases because the majority of people who speed have incorrectly judged the circumstances. Although speed is the main contributor, the problem is judgement. A blanket "speeding kills" statement, as simplistic and directly untrue as it is, is a valid statement for the majority of road users.

I usually tell people what speeds I have done in various situations and they start getting all righteous.

Because they're judging you by their standards. They may see your judgement as incorrect and you were foolhardy. Others may agree with you.

Sometimes 146mph is safe on a motorway, conditions allowing.

Hardly. On a bike, a little tarmac welding, a touch of diesel, some kids dropped crap on the road from their car, wildlife etc; all sorts of reason not to carry that kind of speed. It's not the ability to ride at that speed given suitable conditions, try safely stopping when something goes wrong.

 

[MattandJet]

I must admit anything over 40mph in a 30 zone is dangerous, you've got the risk of small children, cars pulling out of driveways, animals.

Im no old grannie driver but, if you're going to speed, - do it "safely" lol. I know that sounds odd, but speeding on the motorway or A roads is perhaps a "little less" dangerous than speeding around 30 zones.

 

[Malt_Vinegar]

To the OP....

Did you actually get pulled over? What did the officer say, and what did he give you?

I dont think you have actually said how you got caught and the circumstances?