I don't like teachers

Pottsey said:
TriedandTested said "That's wrong. You're talking about technicians aren't you? Which I presume you are one of? Or admin/support staff. Teaching staff get paid for the full year, regardless of holidays. If their salary is 45k per annum that is what they get paid (minus the usual taxes of course)."
Really? I could well be wrong I get confused with all the contract options. I am in a very strange position where I am both admin/support staff and teaching staff. How I posted is how my contract works, I thought normal teachers are the same

If it is the case I am wrong and teachers get paid for a full year they have it very easy compared to the rest of school staff.
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Are you a qualified teacher? If not then you're not 'teaching' in the true sense of the word...and your contract won't reflect that either.

You clearly don't understand what it is a teacher does if you think they get it easy compared with the rest of the staff in the school. :)
 
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AcidHell2 said "On these free periods are taken up with covering teachers taht are of, or children in the sin bin."
Then the school arrange more free periods for them, cover teachers are used to cover lessons not teachers on free periods. Sure you might lose the odd free period here or there but when you lose a lot you gain new ones or should. I know some schools are poorly organised, often it depends on how good or bad the head is. Many teachers I know don't take work home or work over the holidays bar a day or two. Sure we all have a night working at home here or there but not daily unless its a bad school.
 
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Then the school arrange more free periods for them, cover teachers are used to cover lessons not teachers on free periods. Sure you might lose the odd free period here or there but when you lose a lot you gain new ones or should. I know some schools are poorly organised, often it depends on how good or bad the head is. Many teachers I know don't take work home or work over the holidays bar a day or two. Sure we all have a night working at home here or there but not daily unless its a bad school.
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use the quote button.

there are very good excellent schools. especially when you look at inner citys.
You can't simply pull more free periods out of a hat. It just doesn't work like that.

The only teachers that don't take work home are frankly rubbish or work in elite schools. There lesson plans wont change, they'll have 3 or 4 set reports which are printed out and nothing changes.

Pottsey said:
Yeah right. Not from my experience.
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Something I feel you lack.
 
Vixen said:
Actually, I'm not. Perhaps things work differently in England, but that came straight from several different teachers.
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I find that very hard to believe.

http://www.teachinginscotland.com/tis/243.75.79.html

"Every year you'll get 13 weeks holiday at full pay. That means your total working year is 195 days over 39 weeks, with five days for in-service training."

Which suggests you're wrong as well.
 
Pottsey said:
AcidHell2 said "On these free periods are taken up with covering teachers taht are of, or children in the sin bin."
Then the school arrange more free periods for them, cover teachers are used to cover lessons not teachers on free periods. Sure you might lose the odd free period here or there but when you lose a lot you gain new ones or should. I know some schools are poorly organised, often it depends on how good or bad the head is. Many teachers I know don't take work home or work over the holidays bar a day or two. Sure we all have a night working at home here or there but not daily unless its a bad school.
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i dont believe you know any teachers from that statement.
School staffing is based on budgets. Cant just arrange extra staff.
 
Pottsey said:
AcidHell2 said "On these free periods are taken up with covering teachers taht are of, or children in the sin bin."
Then the school arrange more free periods for them, cover teachers are used to cover lessons not teachers on free periods. Sure you might lose the odd free period here or there but when you lose a lot you gain new ones or should. I know some schools are poorly organised, often it depends on how good or bad the head is. Many teachers I know don't take work home or work over the holidays bar a day or two. Sure we all have a night working at home here or there but not daily unless its a bad school.
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Who are these cover teachers you speak of?

It's not really to do with the school more how good you want your planning and lessons to be. A bad teacher in any school could do no work. But then the lessons given to the class would be rubbish and unstimulating.

If you work hard e.g. every night you're lessons will be good. This is regardless off the school.

my placement wasn't a good school but was well organised. " I was up at 6am going to bed at 2am every night for 5 weeks. That's working from 8 til 6. Then coming home and working 7.30 - 2.00. That's tough in anybodies eyes."
 
TriedandTested said "You clearly don't understand what it is a teacher does if you think they get it easy compared with the rest of the staff in the school. "
Not understand, I do both jobs. I see both groups of staff work load and time spent working. I get to see the skills and training all the groups need. I feel teachers are paid right and some other staff are unpaid and unvalued.



brummie said "i dont believe you know any teachers from that statement.
School staffing is based on budgets. Cant just arrange extra staff."
I worked in 2 schools and know 4 others schools well due to my friends and family. I know not all schools are the same but the ones I know are like that. Perhaps I am just lucky and have always been in the better schools. When extra staff are needed they come in for us. But really you're not going lose every free period every week as a teacher. Surly you don't have that many sick staff!!! Sometimes you do get the odd bad week where you lose all paper work time but that shouldnt be common. Anyway more and more paperwork is offloaded to TA's. EDIT: Sometimes the support staff lose more paper work time then the teachers.




AcidHell2 said "Something I feel you lack."
Been involved about 3 to 4 years and worked in schools at least 6 or 7 years.



jojothemonkey69 said "Who are these cover teachers you speak of?"
We have 2 or 3 in as needed most of the time. Sometimes a normally teachers covers but mostly its cover teachers.
 
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Moses99p said:
The thing about the lesson planning and suchlike is that it can be done once, then used year after year... until the syllabus changes of course.
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So, changing it every year then ;)

SideWinder said:
Teachers have to mark a lot of work in their own time.
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Aye, one of my friends is married to a teacher and she's one of the nicest people i've met, but always seems to be marking stuff when I see her.
I suspect if teachers only did their work during "normal" hours we'd be paying them a lot more than we do to get the work done.
 
I dislike teachers, always whingeing about how hard their job is & wanting more pay, several teachers we know aren't satisfied with getting more paid holidays than any other profession they look for paid work during the summer holiday & rob student of the opportunity to find work, another who has been on sick leave on full pay for the last three years because of stress has been running a sideline business doing guided trips around India
 
Pottsey said:
Not understand, I do both jobs.
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Are you a qualified teacher or not? You didn't ask before so I'm presuming you're not. Therefore, you're not actually being a teacher. I imagine they ask you to help in IT lessons, perhaps show them a few things during a lesson or perhaps at an after school club. That's not teaching - it is fun though and it's good that you're doing it.

Pottsey said:
I feel teachers are paid right and some other staff are unpaid and unvalued.
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Now that I DO agree with. However, this isn't what you said first of all:

Pottsey; said:
If it is the case I am wrong and teachers get paid for a full year they have it very easy compared to the rest of school staff.
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The amount of time they spend during weekends and evenings makes up for their large holidays imo. They put a lot of effort into that.

Not to mention having to do lesson plans thoroughly for regulations.

I respect them a lot.
 
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