I don't like teachers

Reality|Bites said:
Looking back the only thing that gets me about teachers is the way you have to say good morning to your teacher in that really gay tone.

"Gooood morrrrningg Mr/Mrs Smith"
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I had that and one day just couldn't be bothered and said good morning in a normal voice and got accused of making funny noises.... LOL :rolleyes:

Gave me detention for it too, I responded by not going :)
 
philjohn said:
Sorry, but to put it bluntly, you're spouting rubbish.

My wife is a teacher, and she puts in damned long hours - however most of them aren't in school. She gets in at around 7-7:30 every morning and normally leaves at 4 (unless there's a meeting and then it'll be around 5-5:30). Once she's home she either gets on with work, or if it's her night with our nipper she gets him sorted and into bed; either way, she's normally working on school work until well past midnight, then up again at 5:30 to start all over again!

The sheer amount of paperwork, lesson plans, observations, marking, course-work that they have to deal with is astounding - they really do deserve the holidays, doubly so when they have to deal with difficult children. My wife has also been late home many times because a pupil has needed to confide in her - she doesn't begrudge this, that's all part of why she signed up, but it does mean she'll be working even later, or doing more at the weekend to compensate.

She took a few weeks break this summer, but has spent the last 3 working every day to get up to speed with a new curriculum being introduced at her school. She's currently in the other room working as I type this.

As for the "attitude", most of the time you'll be around them when they are in school, and in earshot of students - they have to keep an air of professionality about themselves at all times.

And finally, for the posters mentioning the "admin time all teachers get", well, by law they are only entitled to 2 lessons a week PPA; if by some miracle they have more than that, they'll never get it as the school will use them to cover lessons for absent teachers.
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I am pretty much with this.

Every holiday over half is preparing work for the next term

School days at at least 8.30 till 3.30 + meeting and discussions in department till at least 4.30

Over an hour in planning each night

Plus marking

There is enough hours in each day to equal it to a normal job. I know many teachers that dream of a 9-5 job without any work to do at home - that is what adds up the stress.

As a Teacher I need the holidays because otherwise I actualy feel so knackered. Its not like some jobs where you can slack off for a bit during the day. Every lesson needs to be animated and pushes you.

For the record I am an ICT teacher
 
I think the worst thing being a Teacher is from my point of viewing living with one.

when we have an argument or discussion, teacher head comes on then im talked down as though i'm one of her kids.

upside least she is fit.
 
Pottsey said:
AcidHell2 said "so 3 x45min-1hour slots is enough, to do all lesson plans, planning, research, marking, school reports and everything else please."
If it's not, speak to your head and arrange more free time as your overworked, or training on better ways to handle the work load, doesnt you school have a staff training budget? A teaching should not have to regularly (daily) take work home and work all night.
All I can say is the teachers I work with are mostly ok. I know some worked for a bit before the holiday then had nothing to take home for the holiday. Lesson plans, planning is fast and easy with the right computer programs depending on your group. Marking now that does take time but I never had problem fitting it in the slots I had
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ha-Ha more money... wake up and live in the real world. You are in dream land at the moment.
 
Teaching is a stressfull job, working with unruly children all day is always going to be hard and extremely challenging. Having said that the long hours described in this thread are exaggerated in my experience. Sure there will be some work after school on some days but not every day and not unreasonable amounts. They do finish work early and they do have long holidays so of course they should be expected to do some work after school.
 
digipeep said "I'm very interested to know what jobs you think are harder than a modern day teacher has."
Policemen, Firemen (in fact most rescue services), various NHS jobs (doctors, nurse's, surgeons e.c.t). Social Services, Sales and Marketing for big companies, high end professional fashion. Head Chef in a large restaurant, Miner, Stockbroker, Journalist (the ones who travel the world, war zones e.c.t, not your local paper), Air Traffic Controllers, Some types of IT but only for big projects or big companies. Armed Force's, Business Managers (depending on company), Farmers and more if I think about it.




dmpoole said "you don't want to say here them mail me - [email protected]"
Sent an email you can edit out that address now. Please don't post anything about precisely which school I work at or have worked at.




AcidHell2 said"ha-Ha more money... wake up and live in the real world. You are in dream land at the moment."
I do live in the real world, a teacher should not have to take work home ever single day and be working late at night. Go read my quote again, I only said teacher shouldn't need to work every night of the week. If you are spending every wakeing moment doing a teaching job your doing something wrong. Well apart from dueing ofsted but thats not weekly or monthly.

Every school I have ever been at has had a training budget for staff. If you're really struggling with work and you have a decent headmaster you should be able to get either get helpful advice to manage the workload and/or sent on training courses. I never said the workload is easy. I said compared to other jobs it's not that bad. The workload is no bigger than many other jobs.

I am well aware you have to do some work at home. But I don't think it's as bad as some make it out to be. Taking work home is normal it's not something that only teachers do.
 
Pottsey said:
AcidHell2 said"ha-Ha more money... wake up and live in the real world. You are in dream land at the moment."
I do live in the real world, a teacher should not have to take work home ever single day and be working late at night. Go read my quote again, I only said teacher shouldn't need to work every night of the week. If you are spending every wakeing moment doing a teaching job your doing something wrong. Well apart from dueing ofsted but thats not weekly or monthly.
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No they shouldn't but most do, unless you are at a private school. Training is not the issue. It is sheer work load.
You said they don't work outside of class time, which the vast majority do. computer programs do not help with planning lessons, as most of it is research and reading based.
It's not doing anything wrong, it's called having pride in your job and doing it well. (I don't teach, but have grown up around many teachers).
Do you work in a private or excellent school? as it certainly sounds like it. The rest of schools aren't so fortunate.

And FFS use the quote button, you know the quote button. The one down here in the bottom right hand corner. Just about here, no wait here V
 
Pottsey said:
Policemen, Firemen (in fact most rescue services), various NHS jobs (doctors, nurse's, surgeons e.c.t). Social Services, Sales and Marketing for big companies, high end professional fashion. Head Chef in a large restaurant, Miner, Stockbroker, Journalist (the ones who travel the world, war zones e.c.t, not your local paper), Air Traffic Controllers, Some types of IT but only for big projects or big companies. Armed Force's, Business Managers (depending on company), Farmers and more if I think about it.
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Now i know you have no idea :D Nice one, that made me laugh. Suppose you have experience with all these too?

Pottsey said:
Sent an email you can edit out that address now. Please don't post anything about precisely which school I work at or have worked at.
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Were you a cleaner? What have you done?

Pottsey said:
I do live in the real world, a teacher should not have to take work home ever single day and be working late at night. Go read my quote again, I only said teacher shouldn't need to work every night of the week. If you are spending every wakeing moment doing a teaching job your doing something wrong. Well apart from dueing ofsted but thats not weekly or monthly.

Every school I have ever been at has had a training budget for staff. If you're really struggling with work and you have a decent headmaster you should be able to get either get helpful advice to manage the workload and/or sent on training courses. I never said the workload is easy. I said compared to other jobs it's not that bad. The workload is no bigger than many other jobs.

I am well aware you have to do some work at home. But I don't think it's as bad as some make it out to be. Taking work home is normal it's not something that only teachers do.
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Taking work home isnt normal for most of the UK work force.
 
brummie said:
Taking work home isnt normal for most of the UK work force.
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Please tell me that's a joke :rolleyes:

I have enourmous respect for teachers, my Mother is one - so I know exactly how hard they work and how stressed they get. However the way some people here go on about it is just ridiculous. Almost every professional job is stressful, almost every professional job requires working long hours these days. Teachers aren't anything special, and they should be thankful for the long holidays they get (even if they do have to work for part of it), and being fortunate enough to have a very good union.

Oh, and if I ever went into school as an adult and a teacher said I had to call them Mrs/Miss/Mr X in conversation I'd just laugh at them.
 
brummie said "Now i know you have no idea Nice one, that made me laugh. Suppose you have experience with all these too?"
No, not done any of them well some small farming experience's. Just how are they easier then teaching? Being a Nurse on the night shift when all the drunks come in is way harder than any teaching job. Being a Journalist in a warzone is far more stressful. Farmers work longer hours than teachers, more physically demanding and if they mess up they lose their job and business.

Instead of telling me I have no idea, please explain how I am wrong. I do makes mistakes after all.




brummie said "Were you a cleaner? What have you done?"
Currently I work with children with behavioural problems. I take class's and other times I work with small groups. Also done IT support in school among other jobs. Been to many schools and have lots of friends and family working in schools.

For those that don't like my bold quoteing, is this better or worse? I am not going stop quoting like this but I will change the colour if its easier on the eyes.
 
scorza said:
Please tell me that's a joke :rolleyes:

I have enourmous respect for teachers, my Mother is one - so I know exactly how hard they work and how stressed they get. However the way some people here go on about it is just ridiculous. Almost every professional job is stressful, almost every professional job requires working long hours these days. Teachers aren't anything special, and they should be thankful for the long holidays they get (even if they do have to work for part of it), and being fortunate enough to have a very good union.

Oh, and if I ever went into school as an adult and a teacher said I had to call them Mrs/Miss/Mr X in conversation I'd just laugh at them.
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I'm not a teacher, i dont take work home. I can name hundreds of other people some with higher paid jobs that dont take work home.
If you laughed at me because i told you my name was Mr x then sorry that would be the very last peice of conversation you'd ever get. :rolleyes:

Think all those bar staff, cleaners, shop workers, builders ie most of work etc etc etc (ie most of work force) take work home?
 
scorza said:
Oh, and if I ever went into school as an adult and a teacher said I had to call them Mrs/Miss/Mr X in conversation I'd just laugh at them.
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It's called being professional - something, by the sounds of it, that you aren't capable of. Just because you're not used to doing it doesn't mean it's not right; you're in a school/education environment - the kids have to use Mr/Mrs/Miss/Sir and to see other adults/visitors doing it as well only helps enforce that level of respect. In the privacy of an office or outside of the school then there's no need.
 
penski said "And you want to be a teacher?!?!
*n"
Why wouldn't I want to be a teacher? Its challenging so you don't get bored, it's very rewarding at times and it has good pay. Some of my best memories are working with children. I think some people are misunderstanding me. I never meant to come across as teachers have it easy with a low workload. I clearly said a number of times now it's challenging.



jojothemonkey69 said "Did you read the hours I did?"
Yes I did read it and that's not normal. Full time Teachers don't get 4 hours a sleep a night every night.




brummie said "What like?"
It seems to be hard to get rid of bad teachers. Some teachers in some schools think they are above the rules. If a support staff is in charge of say software licences and all orders have to go though them. The teacher will ignore it even after repeated warnings, thinking they are above support staff. The teacher will then go out and spend £100 or £1000's on equipment or software that's wrong and do it again and again, licensed incorrectly or worse the school already has license's for. I once worked with a teacher that took it upon himself to order 4 laptops that couldn't do the job he needed as the wrong ports where on the laptop. A giant waste of money. the same teacher also thought support staff are there to do his bidding. (The I don't care what you're doing, drop it now and do this minor job for me type teacher). Which luckily there are none of where I work now. Another example one school I was at just scrapped £1000's of English books due to being inappropriate for the current age range. One year later a teacher decided to rebuy all those books even after ofsted report about how inappropriate the age range of the books was. That type of thing would surly get you fired in other jobs or at least a warning.
In my experience bad teachers have to make a lot of mistakes and bad discussions before they get fired.

brummie this isn't directed at you. Please note I said some teachers, I did not say most and I did not say all. There are none like that where I work but there are some out there.





AcidHell2 said" Do you work in a private or excellent school?"
" You said they don't work outside of class time, which the vast majority do."
I am not a full time qualified teacher yet but I do work full time in a school and I do expect to do some work outside school hours when/if I become a full time qualified teacher. I say when as my current goal is to stay in this school doing my current job and being a part time teacher. No I don't work in a private school. Not sure how you define excellent school. Our ofsted report is good to outstanding depending on the area with no areas below good.

My opinions are not just based on my school but all my friend and family in other schools.
 
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