Xbox 360 defects: an inside history of Microsoft’s video game console woes
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Doh, I wondered why my GTA IV disk looked a bit scratched when I had only put it in the console once and taken it out once without dropping it or touching it on anything! I dont have any room to lay it down! :/
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what disgusts me. is that the engineers told the executives there was a problem and they did absolutely nothing about it.
I've always had the 360 vertical (well 99% of the time) and never had a problem with that.
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we said right from the start that MS had serious problems with *** 360 and the reliability of it. how many people listened back then? there's been so many threads on here, with so many people dismissing claims of their awful return rate. those people are very quiet these days.
According to the article MS say that Falcons have now improved from an 80% yield to 92% yield. SO 2 years on 8% of machines still break? Or am I misreading somewhere?
I know some people on this forum use the arguement that the new ones break less, but I dunno if most people would buy something if they knew almost 1 in 10 fail. Microsoft have done well to quash the figures tbh, as they don't make pretty reading.
As a comparison I believe Wii and PS3 are within industry averages which is circa 2% in Electronics industry.
Interesting read.
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Nah, that would mean that 8% are so knackered that they don't make it out of the factory. Of the 92% that are allowed out and make it in to peoples' hands, x% of those will go on to fail too.
Of course!! My mistake. Then does it say anywhere what the falcon failure rate is?
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I'm yet to have one last a year, latest one lasted 10 months (which is still a record for me to be fair 
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I'll be on console 5 or 6 when this one goes back (I have genuinely lost count) so there's no figures that would surprise me, if it came out that 100% of 360's will fail at some point I would not be shocked.
). I'll be on console 5 or 6 when this one goes back (I have genuinely lost count) so there's no figures that would surprise me, if it came out that 100% of 360's will fail at some point I would not be shocked.
Technically Microsoft admitted to that when they stated ALL units of the first revision of the console were 'inherently faulty'. Basically they admitted the design was flawed and they were all going to explode at one point or another in normal usage conditions, any that survived are infact exceptions to the rule.
This is only the old revisions of 360 i'm talking about obviously.
Yeah, but by that definition they have conceded that every single unit ever produced to this date is inherently faulty (Hardware wise). You would not give away a 3 year warranty for every single console you have produced to date (20 millionish) if you knew that some were OK. To this day the warranty is still given away on Falcons (which some people seem to claim do not break much).
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Yes, some people even use a cross section of their mates, as a valid counter argument. Also when the going gets tough people will start mentioning consoles from previous generations that "broke".
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Personaly this end my friends and my two younger boys and their friends who have had 360's have all borked for various reasons. There has been a trend for my sons friends to continue with MS simply due to changing formats would be a pain and they have a lot of 360 games already but my friends who are now 30/40 age range and have cash to spare have all ditched the 360 for the PS3, think i'm the only one now who actually own both still.
Highlights the point nicely, most people cannot afford (especially younger folk) to replace the collection of controllers, games etc they have to change formats. They can't afford the loss compared to eh price they paid originally. I guess those who can afford to, do Also a lot of people got their parent's to buy their consoles etc for them, for them it is not feasible to say to folks "dad 360 keeps breaking, buy me a ps3"
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To be honest I found that article a struggle to read. It was full of 'an anonymous source said', 'we heard' and a lot of other statements they don't seem to have a source at all for. Yes the 360 has had an inordinate number of issues, but this article reads like a sensationalist piece by Panorama.
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Absolutely, but and its a big but, not owning it for any length of time does, and you have to agree with this, reduce the amount of chance you have of seeing that machine develop the fault by shear virtue of the fact it isnt very long in your possession?
I own a TV for 5 months and then sell it on, it doesnt give me enough experience to declare to all and sundry that are no problems with that model of TV at all, in the face of overwhelming evidence suggesting that there is.
All 3 of the Xbox 360's that I have had have all been faulty, or developed faults, The first one died within a year and was replaced by Microsoft, the second one died after 13 months, and the 3rd one has gone for over a year but still throws up "disc cannot be read" errors half way through games.
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I agree with that, but Soulja never stated that the 360 didn't have issues, just that the ones he has never RROD'd.
I think you've jumped on him thinking he was trying to deny it