5Dii (for real this time)

Mint_Sauce said:
Looks to be a killer wedding photography camera apart from the 3 fps.
Click to expand...

4fps :p

Saying that, after all this disappointment i am sure i will end up with one 6 months down the line. I just can't being myself to get a Nikon and when the price drop enough i will get one.

I will have my 30D thou with its faster fps :p
 
V-Spec said:
For the people who are dissapointed in the 5D MkII,

Just wondering what features you would have liked which are causing you to be dissapointed? Just curious.
Click to expand...

I'm quite disappointed because I would have like to have seen weather sealing, a number of Pentax DSLR's feature this as does the Nikon D300 (I think) and D700 - seems a bit unfair to restrict this to the 1 series in the Canon lineup IMO.

I consider the HD video functionality to be a gimmick, if it wasn't there what would be the main talking point when comparing this camera to the D700?

Will be interesting to see how good the 5D mkII IQ and dynamic range are
 
If you don't need insane amounts of megapixels, but would be happy with 10MP, and 10FPS and really good AF. Then buy a 1D MkIII, the images it produces are brilliant and its one hell of a body..

If you want lots of megapixels, but aren't bothered about focussing/fps buy a 5D MkII

If you want lots of megapixels and *decent* framerate but very good focussing buy a 1DSM3... All 3 of the above don't come cheap, and Nikon don't make a camera which offers all 3.


The D700 is very good, but I don't understand why people seem to think that the 5D MkII doesn't come close. I bet for overall IQ its way ahead of anything Nikon currently have.
 
Tooks said:
As a long time Pentax user, I soon learnt to stop looking across the pond and love the one I'm with so to speak!! :)

5FPS for weddings? What kind of stuff are you doing that needs that? I've never noticed that being a limitation for the weddings and events that I've done the last year. I'd be interested to know.

Weather sealing however, that's another story! With the summer weather we've had this year, a couple of times I've been out in the pouring rain whilst the bridal party have been safely ensconsed within the church porch, and weather sealing was much for useful than a couple of extra FPS.

Regards ISO, the big numbers we're starting to see only make sense if the photographs are useable. My K20d can do 6400, but you wouldn't use them (apart from in some kind of abstract way!), and I certainly wouldn't dream of including them in clients portfolios.

I've shot in some very dim venues this year, and again I'd say lenses come to the fore here. I've shot on the K20d at 400 iso with a Pentax 16-50 f2.8, and the results have been great. I've heard that the D3 is in a different league regarding ISO, but it is in a different league price wise too.

I know it sounds like I'm berating you for being disappointed at the 5dII in comparison to the Nikon competition, I suppose I'm just trying to help get it into perspective.
Click to expand...

On a D700 ISO 6400 images are perfectly acceptable for wedding prints, if required. I have seen an A3 print from a D700 at ISO 6400 and it is stunning with no visible noise and amazing detail.

Glass only gets you so far. once your down to f1.4 you have No DoF to work with. many shots would require 2.8 or preferable 4.0 etc. This is where high ISO performance is important. The other thing is, the larger your aperture and the more OOF area you in the photo, the more noise becomes visible due to lack of detail and the more important it is to have excellent noise control.
 
iGiDK said:
I'm quite disappointed because I would have like to have seen weather sealing, a number of Pentax DSLR's feature this as does the Nikon D300 (I think) and D700 - seems a bit unfair to restrict this to the 1 series in the Canon lineup IMO.

I consider the HD video functionality to be a gimmick, if it wasn't there what would be the main talking point when comparing this camera to the D700?

Will be interesting to see how good the 5D mkII IQ and dynamic range are
Click to expand...

The weather sealing is a fair point, however I think its the biggest gimmick going.

Anyone who is serious about shooting outdoors in bleak weather, puts their kit in a waterproof bag like an aquatech sportshield or something similar. And I seriously doubt that a few drops of rain will cause it any problems. (It didn't with my old 5D)
 
V-Spec said:
Anyone who is serious about shooting outdoors in bleak weather, puts their kit in a waterproof bag like an aquatech sportshield or something similar. And I seriously doubt that a few drops of rain will cause it any problems. (It didn't with my old 5D)
Click to expand...

It's a good point and I don't mind a few drops of rain on my 40D but there have been a few times when I've been shooting seascapes when all appears ok and then suddenly you get hit by a freak wave. I've got a rainsleeve but it's not practical to use it all the time while manual focusing and continuously adjusting settings.
 
Gregeff said:
It does have weather sealing.... all switches, doors, LCD have seals. I think they say it can withstand 10mm rainfall in 3mins.
Click to expand...

If that's the case then sweet

(I don't remember seeing that in the press release this morning hence my disappointment)
 
Mint_Sauce said:
Looks to be a killer wedding photography camera.
Click to expand...

Only if the high ISO performance is good. For weddigns you don't need the 21Mp. Wedding photos aren't printed on billboards. But all weddings take place indoors with low light. Fast glass attached to a sensor with excellent high ISO performance is the best choice.

The D700/D3 is a better bet , although we don't know the performance of the 5DMkII yet.


The 5DMKII looks like a good landscape camera IMO. Slow outdated focus not an issue, FPS not an issue. FF for wide angle and where a high MP can be useful to print large landscape prints.
 
Tooks said:
Well, you've twisted my analogy a little and took it away from the point I was trying to make! :)

Is 3.9 FPS '1ltr Fiesta' performance? It isn't really that different to 5 FPS, and certainly in the same ballpark.
Click to expand...

lol I'm not sure I can even begin to start working out how FPS would compare to what cars :D

You'd be amazed though how much difference even a small increase in FPS can make a difference if you need speed. That extra frame can make all the difference when your shooting action.

I get what you mean though, as I'm sure you get what I mean :D
 
D.P. said:
Glass only gets you so far. once your down to f1.4 you have No DoF to work with. many shots would require 2.8 or preferable 4.0 etc.
Click to expand...

that's simply not true. I shot a wedding this weekend with a 24mm 1.4 L and 90% of shots are between 1.4 and 2.2. Just depends on your shooting style :)

I'm surprised by the new 5D specs but not disappointed, it is just a different camera to what I expected it to be.

I was fully expecting a 16mp, 6fps, high ISO body. The number of AF points to be are not the real concern, as long as it is fast and accurate. But i'm still fairly sure Canon will release another compact body full frame camera in the next 6 months.
 
Raymond Lin said:
...I do like Canon and their UI. I can pick one up without the manual and use it in 30 seconds, I picked up a Nikon D2X once and even after a minute i couldn't figue out how to switch to AV mode.
Click to expand...
Horses for courses though, I find Nikon to be some much more logical in controls because it's what I always use. I don't need the manual to operate Nikon bodies. On the few occasions I've used a Canon I've spent ages trawling through menu's and trying to work out how to switch modes etc and like your experience, I was unable to get to AV mode for ages.

It's just what your used too when it comes to UI.
 
iGiDK said:
It's a good point and I don't mind a few drops of rain on my 40D but there have been a few times when I've been shooting seascapes when all appears ok and then suddenly you get hit by a freak wave. I've got a rainsleeve but it's not practical to use it all the time while manual focusing and continuously adjusting settings.
Click to expand...

The trouble is, even the weather sealed bodies like the 1D cameras and telephoto L lenses aren't designed to be used in any form of rain, they're merely splash proof.
You can have all the weathersealing in the world, however the little rubber O-ring between the lens and the mount is always going to be a weakpoint.
 
I am actually really intrigued with this HD video business, imagine you put on a telephone, you can video people from miles away ! Instant Video Paparazzi !

Thou to make use of the sound, anything above 100mm would be a bit pointless.
 
Cant wait for the Mk3 with 'take an awesome picture' button.....thats all they need now, :p, a great cam, but end day, you take the pics, a 10D will take just as good a pic, if used properly, sure the file size will be smaller, but you get my drift
 
Gregeff said:
Then there is the A900 which will surely only be brought by people who already own full frame Minalta glass...
Click to expand...
I think that there will be a few converts.
Canon, Nikon & Sony are all offering something slightly different at this level (& indeed pricing depending upon where you live) but competition is good for end users.

I don't expect the A900 to be Sony's only FF body either, I view it more as a sighting shot/statement of intent.
 
D.P. said:
On a D700 ISO 6400 images are perfectly acceptable for wedding prints, if required. I have seen an A3 print from a D700 at ISO 6400 and it is stunning with no visible noise and amazing detail.

Glass only gets you so far. once your down to f1.4 you have No DoF to work with. many shots would require 2.8 or preferable 4.0 etc. This is where high ISO performance is important. The other thing is, the larger your aperture and the more OOF area you in the photo, the more noise becomes visible due to lack of detail and the more important it is to have excellent noise control.
Click to expand...

It doesn't surprise me that the D700 is good, it shares a lot of the D3's internals doesn't it? The D3 stands almost alone in it's ISO performance at 6400+.

We don't know if the 5dII will be up to that level, but I doubt it.

It's easy to get carried away with ISO performance to be honest, I've shot lots of weddings this summer (as the official photographer, not a guest!) and I've not found a situation yet where ISO 400/f2.8 wasn't fast enough, and that's with a Pentax K20d remember. The bride and groom aren't usually moving all that fast anyway! But, I accept we're talking specific applications here, but the point is if I can do it, the 5dII will be able to do it! :)

As for the FPS, I find standing there during the service with the equivalent of a machine gun firing doesn't go down too well with the vicar/registrar either! :D
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom