Japan to get 1Gb/s in the home

Rebelius said:
it's symmetric too :o

Aren't BT busy rolling out a whole new network which isn't going to be done until 2012 or so and is going to be pretty old tech by then anyway? Wish we had fibre to the home.
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as far as i know they are fixing the phone lines first, which is going to take out quite a lot of the old equipment in exchanges, and be finished in most places by Q2 2009, as for FTTH well, i think the goverment and BT argues that its going to have to be funded by ISP's more in order to get the entire country done, but correct me if i'm wrong.
 
Why don't they do what they did with ADSL at first? Offer FTTH in the highest density places, so big cities like London, Manchester, Birmingham etc. and worry about the rest of the country later? Or is that still not viable?
 
Rebelius said:
Why don't they do what they did with ADSL at first? Offer FTTH in the highest density places, so big cities like London, Manchester, Birmingham etc. and worry about the rest of the country later? Or is that still not viable?
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Yes, it would be how you'd do it. London and Manchester would be the first areas you'd enable, you'd likely never enable anywhere outside of a major city (if you don't have a universal service obligation like BT, why bother? It'll never be profitable.)

It's still very questionable whether it's viable. The question is one of take up, how many people will move from £20 ADSL Max to £50 FTTH, even if you offer TV over IP, a fully multicast enabled enabled network, no rate shaping etc from day 1. My view is the public aren't tech literate enough to come over in large numbers, which is why it isn't viable, it can be done but you need something crazy like 40% take up in areas you enable...
 
i think bigredshark is right, its not economically viable, business don't like taking risks on investments. FTTH will be £28bn, FTTH (shared with 3 or 4 homes) £25bn FTTC £5bn and atm i dont think any business will be looking into investing.
The only reason people in the country don't want faster BB is because of the generation, most of the population is above 40, and they aren't too fussed about BB speeds and prices. However, as we get more into the future(Japan are ahead of us) I believe more people will use the internet and computers as they are there when they grew up. Then this might make it more viable for them to put it in.
 
I remember reading somthing about this last year and wasn't it that unlike the UK Japan doesn't have people hammering the ISP's?

I'm happy with my 10Mb from Virgin Media I get full speed and make sure I download out of peak times so I see no slow downs and I get great pings in gaming servers I can't complain 10Mb broadband XL TV and M phone for £30 I can't complain
 
now i really want to go to Japan, 1 question, what download limits will unfairly be imposed? Japan first, rest of world in couple of years UK in half a century if we're lucky
 
seekdestroy said:
i think bigredshark is right, its not economically viable, business don't like taking risks on investments. FTTH will be £28bn, FTTH (shared with 3 or 4 homes) £25bn FTTC £5bn and atm i dont think any business will be looking into investing.
The only reason people in the country don't want faster BB is because of the generation, most of the population is above 40, and they aren't too fussed about BB speeds and prices. However, as we get more into the future(Japan are ahead of us) I believe more people will use the internet and computers as they are there when they grew up. Then this might make it more viable for them to put it in.
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I did a little consulting on one project looking at FTTH, assuming you propose a private company, starting small and concentrating on a big city (which is going to be london, lets face it) then the amount of start up capital you'd need is actually relatively small (like < £100m).

There are two problems. Firstly that assumes even the young the technically literate are prepared to pay out £40+ a month for their 100Mbps or 1000Mbps broadband, which is very questionable.

Second, the return on investment is based on consistent growth for 4-5 years. I don't think the market looks anything like today in 5 years. I think the iphone is a game changer as strategists are so fond of saying and people come to expect internet everywhere, on every device, and connectivity at home stops mattering so much.

So if you want to offer a high bandwidth home connection then you need something to stand out, like TV over IP on the same connection. If you're offering HD content on demand and fast internet at £50 you have a hope, but that market is cornered by sky with their vast pool of media, nobody pays £50 for a TV package which they can't get the big sports on...

Either way, I don't see us getting FTTH or anything similar except in small, geographically limited deployments (sewer broadband in wherever it is as an example) but I'm not sure it'll matter as the way we use the internet changes...
 
Imagine if Virgin launched this, it will come with a 3GB cap, hit your cap in .01 seconds and be capped to 5MBIT for the next 12 hours, advertised as 1Gb/s Unlimited :p
 
I work for BT and the 21cn (in house name for the fibre network) is slowly gaining more momentum. There's something been said between BT and the gov (as far as I know) that BT will get a decent time to recoup money on the infrastructure so might not be too long.
 
What Bigredshark has been saying is the absolute truth.

If in 1-2 years time we all had FTTH they so what, it would be great for hitting UK and maybe a few European sites but make very little difference if you had 10Mb, 100Mb or even 1Gb as you will always hit a bottleneck for backbone links from your ISP. There are the BT Central Pipes, microwave links, IP Transit links, submarine cable systems and all of these take a huge amount of capital.
I work for a large wholesale IP carrier and build/manage the UK and Ireland network. It costs a fortune for things llike dark fibre, Inter-Continental submarine links, and more recently space and power in data centres to house the kit required.
Based on my experience I cannot see widespread FTTH happening for many years to come.
 
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