Much to my own surprise so am I; I figure this is a good thing, since until recently I hadn't been interested in AMD's CPU lineup for quite some time.
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Much to my own surprise so am I; I figure this is a good thing, since until recently I hadn't been interested in AMD's CPU lineup for quite some time.
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from the early benchies it does seem its not catered for the hardcore gamers/ just the server/workstation side of things, however will see once its launched its gonna be strange if Intel actually see a Q9770 or Q9650 beating there newest cpus they wanna dare call new and better/faster range....
If anything may give AMD some hope !
If anything may give AMD some hope !
The i7 aims for servers and workstations but also a lot of people can benefit from the increased performance in various apps like video editing, 3d rendering .etc
Anyway i wish we had more information about Deneb and how it will perform.
Anyway i wish we had more information about Deneb and how it will perform.
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The huge great collective 'meh' that seems to have followed the i7 has made me very excited about the new AMD chips.
True to a certain extent but from memory lga775 chips appear on Intel's roadmap for at least till the end of 2009 and probably longer.
Plus look at the bang for buck.
If I was in your shoes I'd still get a lga775 setup now and upgrade again in maybe two or three years time to i7.
If you pick a ddr3 mobo you can carry your memory over when you upgrade. That way it would only be a mobo/cpu swapout.
Even buying a lga775 setup now, selling it in two years and buying an i7 setup then will still be cheaper than buying an i7 setup now with the added benefit that for games the lga775 setup will be faster.
And lets face it, you really should upgrade that 3000+ as its a bit long in the tooth. Even I succombed to the dark side this year and went from a 4200+ x2 to a q6600 and the difference was incredible.
Video encoding down from 90 mins to 25mins and 12fps gain in Crysis.
^+1 I wnet from a 4400X2 to a Q9450 and the difference is worlds apart and overclocking to 3.2 was both easy and so far nothing has stressed this setup i really think I7 right now would be a waste of time and money and thats not even taking into account the amount of problems I7 could have for the first few months. I just havn't seen anything so far that makes me think I7 is a realistic upgrade for most with good C2D\Q setups right now and i think it will be a while before it does represent a good enough reason for the majority to upgrade.
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Thing is I'm on skt 754 so I can't really upgrade and after making that mistake (pci-e and skt 939 was just around the corner), I don't want to repeat the same thing again. The only downside I see to upgrading to the new platform is the price of ddr3 ram but if i was to upgrade to lga 775 with ddr3 anyways, I may as well go with core i7. The cheapest one will be only slightly more than the current q9550. Also depending on my line of work, core i7 may prove useful later on...
I'll probably be purchasing simply because i currently have a C2D setup, need 4 cores to test my multi threaded code on, and with an i7 I will get 8 theoretical cores (due to HT).
Even if the performance gain is artificial, I will be able to determine trends in the codes speed etc and a lot cheaper than buying a dual socket platform!
I would suggest that it is unlikely we will see massive performance gains from each new platform from now on. WHat should be remembered is that potentially an i7 can deliver large performance boosts for properly parallelised code over a current quad core system due to its improved parallelism model. Intel just need to work out a way to include automatic parallelisation into their compilrs now as generally speaking, coders arn't changing their habits anywhere near as fast as they would like!
Even if the performance gain is artificial, I will be able to determine trends in the codes speed etc and a lot cheaper than buying a dual socket platform!
I would suggest that it is unlikely we will see massive performance gains from each new platform from now on. WHat should be remembered is that potentially an i7 can deliver large performance boosts for properly parallelised code over a current quad core system due to its improved parallelism model. Intel just need to work out a way to include automatic parallelisation into their compilrs now as generally speaking, coders arn't changing their habits anywhere near as fast as they would like!
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most of us knew ages ago that the gains won't be in games , ill still upgrade to it if and when get some desent gains from useing quad core but its clear that my e8600 @ 4/4.5ghz will do for now
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I think intel started to hint it was 30-40% faster then the Core2duo line they forgot to mention it was only in winrar....
bla bla bla.
Why upgrade why upgrade since it's not gonna be usefull in gaming - yet the same ppl are buying 300quid quadcores for gaming, and been buying them a year ago when they came out for 300+ while games hardly have been using even single cores.
The same ppl paid 400 pounds for first dual cores when games been hardly using 3700+.
Also the same ppl will pay again 400+ for the first octo cores when they come out even if they are not going to use it.
Everyone will upgrade sooner or later so talk about performance gain is unnecessary I think.
You could say the same thing 2yrs ago when first duals were coming out that you wont get any performance gain over watercooled sandiego at 3.4GHZ with 4GB of DDR1 and crossfire 1950XTX. But still ppl were buying them?
Why bother buying 4850 if you can get 2 8800GT in SLI?
BECAUSE IT IS NEW TECHNOLOGY - and it's nice
. Also it's a new toy to play around for us - as much as everything else thats coming new every year.
I definitely will be getting either deneb or nehalem shortly after they drop a bit in price. So will do almost everyone and im pretty sure about that.
Why upgrade why upgrade since it's not gonna be usefull in gaming - yet the same ppl are buying 300quid quadcores for gaming, and been buying them a year ago when they came out for 300+ while games hardly have been using even single cores.
The same ppl paid 400 pounds for first dual cores when games been hardly using 3700+.
Also the same ppl will pay again 400+ for the first octo cores when they come out even if they are not going to use it.
Everyone will upgrade sooner or later so talk about performance gain is unnecessary I think.
You could say the same thing 2yrs ago when first duals were coming out that you wont get any performance gain over watercooled sandiego at 3.4GHZ with 4GB of DDR1 and crossfire 1950XTX. But still ppl were buying them?
Why bother buying 4850 if you can get 2 8800GT in SLI?
BECAUSE IT IS NEW TECHNOLOGY - and it's nice
. Also it's a new toy to play around for us - as much as everything else thats coming new every year.I definitely will be getting either deneb or nehalem shortly after they drop a bit in price. So will do almost everyone and im pretty sure about that.
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Wonder how a DDR2 core2 quad with good cooling would do against a normal I7 with normal DDR3 with exactly the same budgets. My bet wouldnt be on the I7
you would loose your bet
I think if i had £2500 to spend on a system right now i would build a great C2D\Q system with all the bells and whistles on it and still have plenty of cash for games and anything else i wanted rather then buying a completely new platform with all the problems that might have. But i guess it depends on whether you do the sort of stuff that I7 will benefit if you don't i think your money would be better spent on a proven and stable platform that you know for sure the performance your money will buy just my tuppence contribution 
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.It's no worse than Core 2, just no better at games, its better at everything else, with a high budget new system may as well get i7.
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I have to say, I'm looking forward to it, the memory bandwidth alone compared to core2 looks quite interesting. Then again I don't play games, I'm a workstation user only really, hence I'll likely see the most benefit from it...
My advice would be to not spend £2500 on a PC. Honestly - it's a mug's game.
At that price point you're going to be looking at expensive quad-cores with SLI/Crossfire graphics and loads of hard drive space, all of which will depreciate like a rock over the next 6-12 months. You'll get an uber machine now but, in a year's time, it'll be outperformed by something costing a quarter of the price.