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ATI 58xx series

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From rumors and small bits of info flying around the 58xx series will run directx11 and be much more efficient than the 48xx series. Is it worth waiting for AMD to release them, or should I just get a 4870 or 2 4850s in crossfirex? I heard they may be released in May...:/
 
Just get a 4870 1GB.

Pointless waiting all that time.

They won't be released until '09 at least, so not worth it.

However, you could wait for the 55nm Nvidia's due to be released around November time.
 
Get the 4870, 5870 will be in March or something like that and isn't supposed to have more than 1000 shaders anyway, won't be a huge boost :)
 
May would be about right as ATi are on a 6 month cycle.:)

Either buy now or wait and see what Nvidia's 55nm 260/280 in November are like, but pointless waiting for the 58's imo, as you may as well wait the 6 months after the 58's for the next, or the 6 months after that one, then that one.... and so on. :p
 
gurusan said:
will also be on a 40nm process though so should come with some nice clocks
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It could, but as far as i read they were planning on using it to cut down on power consumption instead. I would be very happy with 1000 shaders and a 10-15% increase in clocks, would be an awesome card. No matter what AMD has the game locked down for now, it's up to Nvidia to make a move.
 
'Some hardware loving Germans have come up with some "neue" details regarding the RV870. The details are said to come from an inside source.
Here's the break down: the GPU is going to be a 40nm part. It's going to have 1/4 (or +%25) more shaders compared to the HD 4870. The theoretical computational horsepower is going up to 1.5 TFLOPS, which is pretty insane (the HD 4870 has about 1 TFLOP.)
I'm not sure if this is a translation error, or so some sort of hardware-freaks kinky pet-name, but the new card appears to have the code-name Lil Dragon. Not sure if this is an internal codename or just something some German writer guy with a job similar to my own just came up with just now to throw me off.
The GPU will be very tiny. The die is supposedly 205 mm². Compare this to the RV770 being 256 mm², and the GTX 280 being a big 576 mm².
DirectX 11 is most certainly going to be there. DX11 is generally accepted to be happening in mid 2009, probably with the first DX11 games coming out in the third quarter of 2009. My prediction is going to be that DX11 will actually bring some significant changes, and will exist, unlike DX10, which came (and will leave) with hardly anyone noticing. (And no, you will not have to upgrade to Windows 7 for DX11 -- it'll be a download for Vista.)
ATI looks like it'll stick with GDDR5 memory, tied to a 512 bit memory interface. The source pins the memory bandwidth at 150-160 GB/s, which seems completely reasonable.
And here is where things get really interesting. The HD 5870 supposedly uses some sort of cooling that ATI hasn't tried before. And thanks in part to the small size of the GPU, the HD 5870 X2 is going not have two seperate GPU's -- instead it will be two RV770 cores stacked on top of each other, sort of like Pentium-D style.
If this is the case, theoretically you could put three HD5870X2 into one motherboard, giving you like six times the power of one of HD5870 -- now that'd be performance. Of course, back in the real world, things don't scale very well after 3 GPU's are CrossFire'd. But who knows, maybe ATI will work some CrossFireX magic up, who knows.
Disclaimer: These are all rumors. All these specs seem sort of reasonable and makes sense, but none of this stuff is confirmed.'

found this from another website thought yous might wanna hear it:)
 
Are they really gonna call it the 58xx series? That number combination doesn't bode well with people who bought the FX series when nVidia used it. Maybe it's ATi that's saying "Oh our 58xx series works amazingly.....did YOURS?!"
 
X-Morgan said:
Are they really gonna call it the 58xx series? That number combination doesn't bode well with people who bought the FX series when nVidia used it. Maybe it's ATi that's saying "Oh our 58xx series works amazingly.....did YOURS?!"
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Or maybe it just follows on from 48xx ::p D
 
Talrinys said:
Get the 4870, 5870 will be in March or something like that and isn't supposed to have more than 1000 shaders anyway, won't be a huge boost :)
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Remember what rumours were going around about the 4800 series and its shaders was supposed to only have a small boost in shaders and everyone thought nv had it all sown up again but ati improved things a lot and the small boost from the 3870 became twice the power of the 3870 so don't go assuming it will only be a small gain.
 
TheRealDeal said:
Remember what rumours were going around about the 4800 series and its shaders was supposed to only have a small boost in shaders and everyone thought nv had it all sown up again but ati improved things a lot and the small boost from the 3870 became twice the power of the 3870 so don't go assuming it will only be a small gain.
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Just saying what's been quoted so far :) I loved the interview with the AMD engineer saying "well unfortunately we had to bump the shader count up to 800 cause <insert some complicated engineering problem i don't understand>", just shows how cool this generation is :)
 
Interesting stuff with the 5870 X2 part. Two GPUs on the same 'package' with a direct interconnect (sideport on steroids?) would be far more ideal than relying on the PCI-E bridge.
 
Lightnix said:
Interesting stuff with the 5870 X2 part. Two GPUs on the same 'package' with a direct interconnect (sideport on steroids?) would be far more ideal than relying on the PCI-E bridge.
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And would make me buy one, the only thing holding me off from multi-chip-cards right now is the threat of having to spend hours configuring them each time there's a new game out, that would really really annoy me.
 
DX11 being used in 58** doesn't seem very realistic since from what i remember Windows 7 will be launched Q4 2009. That will mean that 68** will be released at that time aswell. Having DX11 on 58** seems a bit useless because for nearly six months you won't be able to run anything DX11 based.
 
If the 5870 x2 is like that, it sounds very juicy. I hope the performance is and compatibility improve a lot.
 
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