***Official Wrath of the Lich King Thread***(Contains spoilers)***

Tafkap said:
Remind me never to uninstall WOW again!

I stopped a couple of years back after reaching lvl 60, but I've bought both expansions and I'm having to load all the patches again.
It's been about 5Gb worth now, I think I'm down to the last one but I'm getting 20k a second for a 3Gb patch, so forty hours to go!

What a nightmare. I presume I'll just have to accept the slow torrent-based patching process and leave my PC on overnight etc.

Goodness knows, I'll probably have more patching to do once I've installed TBC and Lich King!
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you know you can install wotlk which will take you to the closest patch at the time it was released.
 
If that's the case I feel really stupid - the prerequisite on the box of TBC said it required a 'properly installed' version of WOW. I presumed that meant patched!

Thanks for your help - I'm putting TBC in now and we'll see what happens!
 
I've got my death knight to 80 but now finding it hard to get a group for anything - gone back to levelling up my Shaman instead of hanging about for ages in lfg on the DK.
 
wozzizname said:
I've got my death knight to 80 but now finding it hard to get a group for anything - gone back to levelling up my Shaman instead of hanging about for ages in lfg on the DK.
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Go for a tanking build then, much easier to get groups.

I got lucky in raids so far and have good gear for both specs now, I've been tanking loads lately to make gold and do the dailys fast, so easy to get a group. :D

Too much DPS to go around, not enough tanks/healers. ;)
 
Stopped at Level 40 last night with 8 hours played on my Druid. Going for Level 52 later as I have about 8 levels to give away on my linked account, so I should be Level 60.

I'm already thinking about one more Level 60 alt before my RAF runs out. I'm thinking a pink mohawk Gnome Warrior for a bit of Titan's Grip fun :)
 
I made my DK to tank but have a lot of trouble gearing him up to be ready for tanking heroic as no one seems to do the normal instances which have the gear i need.
 
Posty said:
I made my DK to tank but have a lot of trouble gearing him up to be ready for tanking heroic as no one seems to do the normal instances which have the gear i need.
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Don't worry about it. Ghostcrawler has said they're increasing Frost Presence mitigation and are also aware that DKs lack MH/Shield/Guns which often provide defense for warriors.
 
Nebzor said:
Don't worry about it. Ghostcrawler has said they're increasing Frost Presence mitigation
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You'll still be needing HP and defense regardless though.

TBH, Frost Presence doesn't need buffing at all. I'm sitting at 63% reduction in my tanking gear and it's not quite full epic yet.
 
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Margaret said:
You'll still be needing HP and defense regardless though.

TBH, Frost Presence doesn't need buffing at all. I'm sitting at 63% reduction in my tanking gear and it's not quite full epic yet.
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It does, because the best guilds in the world are telling them that compared to their other tanks DK's are squishy tanks.

When they are hammering their cooldowns great, but between them there are issues.

PLUS, a few of their moves are too good for PVP. DK's are *not* fine at the moment, and have some issues still, as I play one, and read up on them, including the opinions of major guilds I can say that for certain.

HOWEVER, all the current classes have a few problems, Paladins don't even have a single taunt implemented yet, but Blizzard are working on it. Rogues damage is partially bugged I believe with daggers, a few other classes haven't got all their bugs sorted (paladin judgements fall of on occasion, Priest Mind Flay to name a few). It will get fixed though.
 
Dark_Angel said:
It does, because the best guilds in the world are telling them that compared to their other tanks DK's are squishy tanks.
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Yeah but they aren't squishy because of armor, not at all. If anything I would imagine the issue is the lack of blocking.

Armor increase will help though, wonder how much they will feel the need to buff it by.
 
Posty said:
I made my DK to tank but have a lot of trouble gearing him up to be ready for tanking heroic as no one seems to do the normal instances which have the gear i need.
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I used this guide as I didn't want to rely too much on instance runs: http://www.tankspot.com/forums/f97/40966-polar-s-easy-pre-naxx-tank-gear-list.html

On the issue of DK tanking, I find Frost Presence fine. I believe it's the fact that some of our essential tanking abilities are based on long CDs, and that with low dodge your Bone Shield will lose all its charges fast :( I would rather have a longer duration of Icebound Fortitude or more charges on Bone Shield in exchange for less mitigation. But then again, it does help to sort out the good and alert healers from the slackers :)

When I used to tank on my Paladin, the hardest bit really was to spam Holy Shield every 8 secs. As long as I did that, I didn't have to worry about spike damage.

DK tanking has come a long way since I first tried it on the Beta, and I'm confident however Blizzard will sort it out. If not, I've got my Druid alt I can chill with :)
 
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sharingan_sasuk said:
I used this guide as I didn't want to rely too much on instance runs: http://www.tankspot.com/forums/f97/40966-polar-s-easy-pre-naxx-tank-gear-list.html

On the issue of DK tanking, I find Frost Presence fine. I believe it's the fact that some of our essential tanking abilities are based on long CDs, and that with low dodge your Bone Shield will lose all its charges fast :( I would rather have a longer duration of Icebound Fortitude or more charges on Bone Shield in exchange for less mitigation. But then again, it does help to sort out the good and alert healers from the slackers :)

When I used to tank on my Paladin, the hardest bit really was to spam Holy Shield every 8 secs. As long as I did that, I didn't have to worry about spike damage.

DK tanking has come a long way since I first tried it on the Beta, and I'm confident however Blizzard will sort it out. If not, I've got my Druid alt I can chill with :)
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Less mit for longer duration on cooldowns? That's exactly the opposite of what the playerbase are asking for.
 
Margaret said:
You'll still be needing HP and defense regardless though.

TBH, Frost Presence doesn't need buffing at all. I'm sitting at 63% reduction in my tanking gear and it's not quite full epic yet.
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I never said you won't need HP/Defense, I said that Blizzard are aware that DK itemisation is difficult and their overall mitigation is low and so will be making changes accordingly.
 
Margaret said:
Yeah but they aren't squishy because of armor, not at all. If anything I would imagine the issue is the lack of blocking.

Armor increase will help though, wonder how much they will feel the need to buff it by.
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sharingan_sasuk said:
I used this guide as I didn't want to rely too much on instance runs: http://www.tankspot.com/forums/f97/40966-polar-s-easy-pre-naxx-tank-gear-list.html

On the issue of DK tanking, I find Frost Presence fine. I believe it's the fact that some of our essential tanking abilities are based on long CDs, and that with low dodge your Bone Shield will lose all its charges fast :( I would rather have a longer duration of Icebound Fortitude or more charges on Bone Shield in exchange for less mitigation. But then again, it does help to sort out the good and alert healers from the slackers :)

When I used to tank on my Paladin, the hardest bit really was to spam Holy Shield every 8 secs. As long as I did that, I didn't have to worry about spike damage.

DK tanking has come a long way since I first tried it on the Beta, and I'm confident however Blizzard will sort it out. If not, I've got my Druid alt I can chill with :)
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There are a few reasons I think.

1 of the main ones is DK's don't use a shield, and can't use a gun or a libram for example which Warriors and Paladins use.

This basically means they don't get the stats that the Shield has, on average a DK in Forst Presence has around the same armor as a Warrior for example carrying a shield with the same gear (give or take a bit - depending on the shield). However, they are missing the defence rating that the shield has to offer, which is a rather large problem, and the Libram also usually carries some kind of helpful bonus. (as well as a gem socket too usually, and the ton of HP and blocking damage the shield has to offer, obviously).

Warriors typically can get a massive HP boost from the gun + socketing the gun, so DK's lose a HP slot there, and while Paladins Librams are useful for tanking, so far the Sigils for a DK are rather lacking for that.

I am mostly going as a DPS DK, as my guild have 3 paladins which wish to tank (actually 2, plus 1 warrior) and that is with the 2 warrior tanks and 1 paladin we already currently have so tanks aren't an issue.

I have done a little tanking however for fun, or once when the server was randomly disconnecting people for a few days I had to take over as the tank in our 5 man group DC'ed in the middle of a boss. I did manage to tank the boss rather well in 5 man heroic, but to be fair I was getting hit with massive damage (I was DPS specced) but since he was down to around 40 percent and we had high DPS, I used all my cooldowns, and our healer wasa Disc Priest, so once he used Pain Supression on me too, the boss was down before I started to take to many crits.

Currently as I said again, DK's are not gods, and have large problems with tanking and a few with DPS, but then if you look at other classes they have their share of issues too.
 
Not bored yet, not even close to level 80 yet, and dont plan to be any time soon. Just play around 5-10 hours a week on wow, and then on a few diffrent toons. Got a 74 Prot pally, 71 shadow priest and being on my 35ish mage a bit recently.

Hopefully i will be getting into 10 mans / 5 man heroics again by the time the next content patch comes :)

Dont think i have done any leveling without rested exp bonus yet either since WOTLK :)
 
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