Survivors

yer_averagejoe said:
I'm just assuming a proper property would make you a target.. I wouldnt want to have to fight other people at any time.
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What are the odds they'll find you. and it;s a farm house + te army will have been out before they died, so weapons and ammo wouldn;t be hard to get.
 
Going back to your case for example... Salt - Where you going to get it? Even fire, once your matches have run out, would prove very difficult for most.
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fire is easy even cavemen could make fire if you know the technique used to make fire by friction and spare the time to gather the peices of wood you need in advance to make sure there bone dry it wouldnt be to hard.

those flint striker things are easy enough to come by aswell either from the stores at your local army barracks or from army shops, even argos and places like that should sell the torchs/knifes that have them inside the handle and theres billions of disposable/refilable lighters in the country.

anyway forget log cabins just tow a nice caravan somewhere and camoflage it with trees branchs or army paint if you dont want it to stick out like a sore thumb!
 
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It doesn't take a degree to prepare meat. It's quite a simple task as long as you have a sharp knife, and i'm thinking that the disease that wipes out 90% of the population wont also blunt 100% of knives on it's way through.

Building a bow and arrow is not hard either. The difficulty being identifying the correct wood with the right elasticity, but don't forget you've got plenty of time for trial and error.

Simple traps are not hard to assemple. Pit traps require a hole, some spikey sticks, some thin sticks, some leaves and some bait. Snares are trickier but wouldn't take long to perfect. Fishing line is pretty abundant stuff.

Building a log cabin would be a challenge, but impossible? The basics of construction are inherently built into all of us. Angles, strengths and reinforcements to basic structure are pretty simple concepts. Honestly the only real difficulty i can think of would be building one alone, purely for the logistics of the thing. How do you think they built houses 200 years ago? did they all go to carpentry school before doing 10 years in the industry, then make their house?

Nothing you've listed cannot be address by one simple factor: time. Nothing there, aside from the cabin, would take an unreasonable amount of it. To be honest, as long as you had a knife and something you can use as shelter, like a tarp or canvas, then you could spent plenty on the cabin.
 
Tefal said:
yep did it with a hand chain/wire saw. not that hard tbh.

one of these jobbies
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but why make a cabin where then hundreds of ready made farm houses?:confused:

Also why hu8nt when there's already livestock?

More to the point why bother with food at all, more than enough tinned food to last you untill you die, or at least til lyou set up your own farm etc.
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Exactly... I wasn't the person suggesting building a house/cabin from scratch (for some reason)...

The issue with existing tinned food and resources was covered well in the original Survivors. They realised they were a resource that would disappear and once they had they had to already be fully self sufficient. And that means FULLY! Need a tool? Then you'll have to make it!
 
arknor said:
fire is easy even cavemen could make fire if you know the technique used to make fire by friction and spare the time to gather the peices of wood you need in advance to make sure there bone dry it wouldnt be to hard.
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You obviously have no experience making a fire without specialist equipment. Trust me, you make it sound a lot easier than it is.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
You obviously have no experience making a fire without specialist equipment. Trust me, you make it sound a lot easier than it is.
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But didn't you hear him? Even cavemen could do it!

Never mind that cavemen had a lifetime of experience at 'survival', where as a lot of these keyboard survivalists probably couldn't even cook a chicken unless it's already prepared and in breadcrumbs :)

People just don't realise how difficult some of these things probably are. We're so removed from 'survival' now that we're like the top layer on a house of cards. Remove a couple of our supprts (that society gives us) and we'll fall down...
 
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NeilFawcett said:
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The issue with existing tinned food and resources was covered well in the original Survivors. They realised they were a resource that would disappear and once they had they had to already be fully self sufficient. And that means FULLY! Need a tool? Then you'll have to make it!
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How many survivors are there? As a articulated truck full of tins will last you decades.

AS for tools there are probbably several dozen million axes etc in the country they'll long out last you.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
You obviously have no experience making a fire without specialist equipment. Trust me, you make it sound a lot easier than it is.
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well on the first day stop by solider of fortune, and you;ve got your self 1000 + flint and steels, when scavenging theres more than enough equipment to out last the first generation. (assuming theres only like 1million people left.
 
Tefal said:
How many survivors are there? As a articulated truck full of tins will last you decades.

AS for tools there are probbably several dozen million axes etc in the country they'll long out last you.
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Yes, tinned food will last you, but probably not the next generation.

Axes, and simple tools, will again probably last you, but possibly not the next generation.

Anything more complicated will not see you through your lifetime.

Medicines, will not see you through your lifetime...

basically, what we're talking about is the slow fall back into a pervious level of technology. How far that fall is would depend on how good people were are re-organising, cooperating, and number of people.
 
NeilFawcett said:
Yes, tinned food will last you, but probably not the next generation.

Axes, and simple tools, will again probably last you, but possibly not the next generation.

Anything more complicated will not see you through your lifetime.

Medicines, will not see you through your lifetime...

basically, what we're talking about is the slow fall back into a pervious level of technology. How far that fall is would depend on how good people were are re-organising, cooperating, and number of people.
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Who cares about the next generation. they can learn how to survive themselves.

But as long as you find a decent mechanic you'll always have a car, Africans keep things running from the 50's, we've got so many spare parts just in shipping yards full of cars to keep them running, or heck just get a new car every time.

AS long as the numbers are reduced enough, scavenging would last you easily and comfortably all your life, and probbably most of your children's.
 
Tefal said:
Who cares about the next generation. they can learn how to survive themselves.

But as long as you find a decent mechanic you'll always have a car, Africans keep things running from the 50's, we've got so many spare parts just in shipping yards full of cars to keep them running, or heck just get a new car every time.

AS long as the numbers are reduced enough, scavenging would last you easily and comfortably all your life, and probbably most of your children's.
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I fear it's just not as easy as that. Absolutely every item you take for granted is no longer being manufactured. For example, the batteries you require to start the car, within years will be dead.

Also, scavenging would probably mean you have to go into (previously) populated areas, along with all the fun and games of the diseases that go along with that (over the first few years)!
 
YOu could carry the battery from car to car, keep a couple on the go at a time. Rig up an alternator rig in your garage to charge them for an hour or so a day to keep them going!
 
ON a more serious note, you really need to stop assuming everyone is an idiot. Don;t know how to cook a chicken unless it's in breadcrumbs? Cooking food is simple. Cooking meat is also simple. It would take someone a lot of effort to balls its up and gain some form of poisoning. I honestly don't believe it's because i already know how... i'm pretty sure everyone knows what cooked meat looks like. "cook until juice runs clear" is a very simple instruction that everyone will have read multiple times on their pre-packed chicken drumsticks.
 
NeilFawcett said:
Also, scavenging would probably mean you have to go into (previously) populated areas, along with all the fun and games of the diseases that go along with that (over the first few years)!
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as for the cites, find some dead soldiers and take thier NBC gear.
 
DampCat said:
YOu could carry the battery from car to car, keep a couple on the go at a time. Rig up an alternator rig in your garage to charge them for an hour or so a day to keep them going!
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You can trickle charge them using photo voltaic arrays! :)

As for food, if I ever wanted some fresh fish...
I'd be able to catch them and collect the bait for it, it's *so* god darned easy. (living on an island)
Gutting it is a no brainer and fire after some effort isn't that hard either. Sure you'll be kicking yourself for days whining it's hard but you'll adapt.

We adapt well.
 
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DampCat said:
YOu could carry the battery from car to car, keep a couple on the go at a time. Rig up an alternator rig in your garage to charge them for an hour or so a day to keep them going!
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Batteries don't go on for ever incase you didn't notice... eg: 4-5 yrs...
 
NeilFawcett said:
Batteries don't go on for ever incase you didn't notice... eg: 4-5 yrs...
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Seriusly? I only remeber my dad having the car battery changed once in it;s 18 years.

Plus once one dies, you've got several million more to help yourself to.

Survial in the wild, and scavenging in the ruins of a civilization are very diffrent.

For 1 no deed to find/make natural shelter.

Very little need for fire.

No need to produce warm clothing.

And as long as you;ve got a car battery handy fire isn;t an issue, or if you nip down to the supermarket/warehouse/olider of fortune there enough gass burners + tanks + petrol + matches + lighters + fierstarters + hexi, + flints and steel to last you till the day your grand children die.

No point being able to hunt a rabbit with a bow, when you could eat a tin of something and put the extra time into somthing more constructive like looting/modifiying equipment.
 
arknor said:
i wonder how many car batterys there are in the world, probably more than enough to last a few life times
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well theres a few dozen in the local motor world, including the huge ones trucks take.

heck if you really wanted to you could go down a sip yard and try and get one of the huge ones out of them. or just live on the ship.
 
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