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i7 920 the way to go?

Soldato
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Hey u guyz :p

I'm on the brink of buying a new box, however i've been out of overclocking for quite a while..

Looking at either a 920 or 940? is the 940 @ 2.93 a total waste of money considering it could be blitzed by the 920 on air?

Also, is the Asus P6T one of the best for this chip? thinking about chucking a 4870X2 in as well!
 
Asus P6T is a very good board apparently, it is the one i will get.

Compared to the Asus Rampage II it seems like there is hardly any difference, so the premium of the rampage is not really worth the extra.

920 > 940. 965 is only good if you have extreme cooling anyway.

I am just debating whether i should just get a cheap c2d system until i7 prices fall
 
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thats just it, while ATI might look better on paper, everything is nvidia optimized.

as for the 920 or 940, i'd say it would be pointless getting the 940, as the 920 will clock as high as it will probably.

folk can get the 920 to 4.0ghz on air, i'm currently at 3.5ghz on stock cooling :D:D.
 
Cheers guys,

I've been out of the game for some time but hope to return shortly ;)

Last box I had was a core2duo extreme at almost 4Ghz exactly on water, with a 7950GX2, I bought it to mainly play Supreme commander and even that ate it up!

i'll read some more reviews on the 280, I know that most stuff is Nvidia optimised, its just a total nightmare reading around for the best card - each manufacturer has its fair share of fanboys!
 
Get the 920. From my experience and from what I have read, the 940 is not worth the extra £200.

My 4870X2 plays everything on the highest settings at 1080p. I think there is only a few frames per second differnece in gaming performance between the GTX 280 and the 4870X2 in certain games. Whichever you get you won't be disappointed.
 
utter utter crap people talk sometimes.

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2008/12/18/first-look-nvidia-geforce-gtx-295-1792mb/8

THis is just one review, please someone tell me where the 280GTX even comes close to the 4870x2. The 4870x2 in most of the benchmarks , in farcry 2, in Fallout 3, its got a roughly 50-80% MINIMUM framerate lead over a single 280gtx, with the former clocking in around £280, and the later at £330 price performance is easily with ATi, as is all out performance.

THat review is Nvidia's best 5 games where it has the best advantage over ATi, which is why Nvidia made all reviewers use those 5 games only. In not one is the 280gtx anywhere close to the 4870x2. Every review, because they are the same 5 games(+1 they can choose though mostly deadspace as it was recommended but Bit tech don't use, and thats the one game Nvidia have a huge lead in sli, over crossfire.


Unless you're sitting on the card or waving your wang over it, heat doesn't matter. Its not perfect, but its pretty damn quite, silent idle, can be loud in games but me, like many others took the shroud off and stuck a silent 120mm fan on it, cooler, silent at all times and overclocks quite well. THere are newer 4870x2 3rd party models without the crappy blower fan which are silent at stock without messing around, though a £5 zalman and the cheapest 4870x2 is a much cheaper option than an asus/pallit 4870x2(from what I've seen).


Sli is a real option and 2x260's come WAY closer in price and performance value to a 4870x2, though personally I'd still go ATi because once you've spent £330 on one theres very few games that can't run on it. ARguably you'd get better performance from 2x260's, but at a decent amount higher cost right now and once you hit a certain level, more frames for more money aren't really needed.

IE the 280gtx 1920x1200 Crysis very high and 2xaa is 20fps average, 11fps min. The 4870x2 gives 31fps average and 20fps min, 50% higher average and almost 100% higher min, its actually playable at 30fps, at 20 its not, the 33fps the 260SLi gives you isn't a huge difference.
 
The ATi stereotypes continue...

what well reasoning points, with facts, links and proof to back up what he says, thank you.

While the Nvidia fanboys, devoid of any proof(because there is none anywhere) spout that ATi are crap because they want them to be.

Seriously, find a review that puts the 280gtx ahead of the 4870x2, hell when people were arguing about it 6 months ago when Crysis didn't work well on the 4870x2 it was one of the only games Nvidia could beat the card, now it clearly can't(without SLI and even then marginally).

THe card spanks the 280gtx in almost all games by a margin of over 50% faster most of the time, yet Nvidia fanboys in here are claiming its faster.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-295,2107-4.html 50% faster at 1920x1200, 100% faster at 2560x1600, lead increases with aa/af at 1920x1200, about the same at higher res.

next page, easy win again almost 50% faster at 1920x1200 with aa/af settings.

check the Deadspace, the only clear win for Nvidia, yes thats right, the game, at 1920x1200 is 100% faster on the 4870x2 with 4xaa/8xaf than it is without AA/AF on the same card. I smell no problems with the game here at all, its perfectly normal for cards to gain a 100% increase in speed with more intensive settings. This one game is buggy as hell in terms of its benchmarking performance, even then, its more than playable offering over 100fps at 1920x1200 with 4xaa.

FO3 in the THG benchies appears cpu limited, their Farcry benchies again put the 4870x2 50% faster than the 280GTX.

Seriously, can you find me any review which puts the 280GTX ahead of the 4870x2?
 
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what well reasoning points, with facts, links and proof to back up what he says, thank you.

While the Nvidia fanboys, devoid of any proof(because there is none anywhere) spout that ATi are crap because they want them to be.

Seriously, find a review that puts the 280gtx ahead of the 4870x2, hell when people were arguing about it 6 months ago when Crysis didn't work well on the 4870x2 it was one of the only games Nvidia could beat the card, now it clearly can't(without SLI and even then marginally).

THe card spanks the 280gtx in almost all games by a margin of over 50% faster most of the time, yet Nvidia fanboys in here are claiming its faster.

Yeah, I find all the stereotypes funny...my X2 runs cooler than the 8800GTS before, and now the drivers are mature, it's an absolute beast of a card....hasn't given me problems in any games.
 
What a load of tosh - 280 as fast as the 4870X2? It might be a better card from a power and heat perspective, but the X2 walks all over it in games.

A 280 at £300 is a criminal waste of money as well when a 260 Maxcore is nearly as fast at £100 less.

I would suggest if the OP wants maximum performance he should get a 4870X2, or wait until next month and buy a GTX295.
 
Thanks for all comments guys! didn't mean to start a war :eek:

I would suggest if the OP wants maximum performance he should get a 4870X2, or wait until next month and buy a GTX295.

Currently considering it, I popped the question of SLI 280 GTX's in the gfx forum out of curiosity, as to whether its worth the performance....
 
The power issue, isn't really a power issue, if its consistantly 50% faster, then isn't it ok it it used up to 50% more power, it would give it an equal performance/W ratio.

i don't much care either way, hopefully at some point both companies will sort out idle power to use up 10-20W for basic desktop and to use whatever the heck they need at load. I'm starting to think onboard gfx disabling a gfx card then enabling it for games might be the way to go in the future, even more so when they stick a basic gpu on the cpu die with Fusion in the future.

Power of all discrete cards is embarassing at idle tbh, getting exponentially more embarassing the further up the performance scale you go, but thats how its always been.


For ATi fan boys, thats two of us that said the 260 is a much much better value card than the 280 and that its not a bad buy, and I said in sli its a much closer setup for value and 2x260's easily outperforms a 280.

The only issue is cost, at the £330 I bought at no games aren't playable in high or maximum detail, why would I recommend spending £70 , or any more, if this card is just as fast and the few frames it loses aren't that noticeable. 4870x2 isn't the fastest setup you can get, I do think its the best value though.
 
Yeah, I find all the stereotypes funny...my X2 runs cooler than the 8800GTS before, and now the drivers are mature, it's an absolute beast of a card....hasn't given me problems in any games.

Thanks for all comments guys! didn't mean to start a war :eek:



Currently considering it, I popped the question of SLI 280 GTX's in the gfx forum out of curiosity, as to whether its worth the performance....

was typing as you posted this :p

280 sli just isn't a good fit performance vs price. 260's in sli is very close in speed frankly but significantly cheaper. I'd only choose between 260's in sli, a 4870x2 and just incase Nvidia decided to fight hard the 295 if they price it agressively, however I doubt they will price it to fight. It will also be very very hot and hard to cool with almost no option of 3rd party cooling, even water would be hard as it seems to be a block that is between both cards and fan in the middle. I doubt anyone will get a 3rd party cooler for it for air cooling, a full cover block will cost a bomb and probably won't make it to market before the 40nm parts are out so theres really no point.


Yes, if you won the lottery, buy a 30" screen, or 5, and game at 2560x1600 and buy 3x 280gtx's, or 2x 4870x2's. IF you game at 1920x1200 which is the largest res I'll game in at a desk then 260's or a 4870x2, anything else is stupid.
 
Thanks for that Drunkenmaster,
I'm upgrading to i7 shortly and will stick with my 8800 ultra until about Feb and see
what Nvidea / ATi do when the 295 comes out, am I right in thinking the 295 is basically
Nvidea's version of a 4870 x2, obviously priced stupidly ? I also heard a rumour that Ati
have something up their sleeve to pay waste to the 295, regarding the 4870 x2.

Can anyone confirm that, please dont turn this into a Fanboy arguement.

Sorry for stealing the thread a bit.
 
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