Autistic teenager kicked baby in the face

Not so long ago we actually had a very heated discussion on the subject of parents and carrers and their convenience over duty - and what a high impact example this story is. Allow me to take the emotion out of it and just quote it as a dry set of events:

- Someone (parent, both of parents) takes their 7 month old baby to a coffee shop. They are so busy with their coffee they don't react to their baby crying. To the point that someone mentally challenged boy has enough time to get aggrevated by it and while they remain "busy" he has time to stand up, walk across the floor to their table and kick the baby out of the buggy.

- Someone else (parent, both parents) take their aggressive autistic child to a coffee shop. They are then so busy with their coffee they don't react to their son getting agrevated, standing up, walking across the floor to another table and kicking someone's baby out of the buggy.

Parenting is not something you can switch off like mobile phone, put in your pocket and go do whatever you want. You have seven month old baby, you have challenged, aggressive teenager, and you find Starbucks so fascinating that something as basic as keeping eye on them and their safety go out of the door? WTF?
 
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Streeteh said:
Sadly people like this boy do exist and there's nothing that can be done about it
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sadly?
why sadly?
some autistic people are very clever and im sure some of the most clever people exhibit some autistic like characteristics.

Also, im sure that soon there will be something that can be done ot prevent an autistic child being concieved.
 
I agree with above on second point. I am in no way intentionally demeaning the autistic teenager on purpose here. I can't think of a better analogy.

But if you had a dangerous animal (a person is obviously capable of more harm) and you are aware that such an animal has a tendency to be easily irratated, and then this animal proceeded to cause serious harm, then you should be liable (are they?).

I don't see any difference in this scenario. Negligence.

Again, I don't mean to say that autistic children are animals but in terms of the ability to make moral choices and ability to harm others, you could say they are similar on those fronts.

As for the parents of the baby, letting a random teenager pick up your baby should be worrying and stopped, however, one can fairly assume that there is no need to aggressively stop them. Not attending to the baby is just poor parenting but not anything criminal.
 
Doonhamer said:
That sounds like a heck of a parenting battle. How does she expect to handle him once he gets older and is physically stronger and/or larger than her?

Not looking to criticise, interested.
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He already is bigger and stronger than her but some how she manages in public at home it can be more of a problem when he enjoys punching her and smashing the house up .Bless him :mad:

I don't know how she will cope as he continues to grow but she is determined not to give him up .

He attends a special school but bar that she gets no real help .
 
ghost101 said:
As for the parents of the baby, letting a random teenager pick up your baby should be worrying and stopped, however, one can fairly assume that there is no need to aggressively stop them. Not attending to the baby is just poor parenting but not anything criminal.
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he didnt pick the baby up...

the baby was crying, babies cry. How can you even assume from the information given that they had not tended to the baby or that there was any poor parenting?
 
Morba said:
sadly?
why sadly?
some autistic people are very clever and im sure some of the most clever people exhibit some autistic like characteristics.
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He said 'like this boy', so unless the boy is very clever, what are you talking about?

I bet there's a term in autism circles for the old straight-to-the-rainman fixation
 
wush said:
He said 'like this boy', so unless the boy is very clever, what are you talking about?

I bet there's a term in autism circles for the old straight-to-the-rainman fixation
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im not talking rainman or anything like it.
 
So why wheel out the 'clever autistic person' business when it has nothing to do with what you quoted?

always-with-the-rainmain, people are with autism, I tell thee.
 
Morba said:
he didnt pick the baby up...

the baby was crying, babies cry. How can you even assume from the information given that they had not tended to the baby or that there was any poor parenting?
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Fair enough, but aren't 7 month old babies on those prams where the baby lies flat? I just assumed that it would be difficult to kick downwards that high up.

I'm probably wrong on both counts though.
 
wush said:
Did I say they don't exist? I'm questioing why people are always obsessed with bringing that in to every conversation about autism.
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because he said sadly people like this boy exist, which i have taken to mean autistic.
i was giving a small reason why having autistic people is not a bad thing.
 
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ghost101 said:
Fair enough, but aren't 7 month old babies on those prams where the baby lies flat? I just assumed that it would be difficult to kick downwards that high up.

I'm probably wrong on both counts though.
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babies can start sitting up around 6 months in some cases, a lot would be in reclinable prams i would have thought.
 
Morba said:
because he said sadly people like this boy exist, which i have taken to mean autistic.
i was giving a small reason why having autistic people is not a bad thing.
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Streeteh said:
I would assume that the authorities put sufficient research into this lad in order to deem him not responsible for his actions, but if this is the case than those that were responsible do need to be dealt with. Sadly people like this boy do exist and there's nothing that can be done about it other than to make sure they don't hurt themselves and others, unfortunately his carers seemed to fail at this.
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He quite clearly meant autistics that need care and are liable to lash out, and you chose to quote a small part out of context.
 
wush said:
He quite clearly meant autistics that need care and are liable to lash out, and you chose to quote a small part out of context.
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Needs care or not, sadly these people exist is like saying they shouldnt.
 
Morba said:
Needs care or not, sadly these people exist is like saying they shouldnt.
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Are you saying it's joyous that they exist as opposed to being born healthy?:confused:

AS that's generally what people mean when they saying things like "oh Joan's son is disabled it's so sad" it doesn't mean they want to take a shotgun to the little tike.
 
well im astounded at the defence of this boy in this thread, there is no excuse for anyone for any reason to stamp on a baby.

whether he should be prosecuted, I would say yes he should, the law applies to everyone i thought, the sentencing is what can be different dependant upon situation.

HGe should have been prosecuted even if the outcome was not a jail term and a stay in a mental institution, probabtion, 24/7 control, whatever, unless you are telling me that autistic kids of 18 have no understanding of right and wrong ?

and just as an aside, if that was my baby he'd still be picking his teeth out of various locations in the cafe.
 
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