yeah but I'd be willing to take a battering to my pride than risk being banged up and not seeing my kid for a few years/months, and having to leave the wife to deal with it alone.
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yeah but I'd be willing to take a battering to my pride than risk being banged up and not seeing my kid for a few years/months, and having to leave the wife to deal with it alone.
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So defending your seven month old child from attack in the heat of the moment is unacceptable.
yet this guy launched a premeditated attack on another guy when all he had to do was drive away, but omg the guy looked at him funny! lets get out the car and cave his skull in!
Do you know more about the facts of the case than anyone else.
ie did the 18 year old attempt to attack the baby again?
If someone had spoken about your son in that manner do you not think that retaliation was likely or is retaliation on;ly acceptable in the case of the baby's family?
he did not "cave his skull in"
He admitted that it was wrong
He got community service, not the worst of punishments.
The Judge even commented on the victims attitude.
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As far as Im concerned, such behaviour only goes to hint at why your child views such conduct as acceptable in the first place. But that's gonna take this thread down another path entirely.
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Once again agreed but in the heat of the moment.....
What I don't understand is what makes people wrong for giving the autistic kid a good slap but its perfectly ok for this guy to fracture the skull of some guy that got mouthy and looked at him funny when their was no need at all?
I really don't think it was sudden rage, It is very hard to judge any person especially someone who has autism unless you know them. What happened is horrific and shocking, any normal person would have to be punished. Autism is a condition that has huge variables, this guy is described to be profoundly autistic. Some people with autism find certain sounds extremely painful, and also certain situations like a baby crying might cause extreme anxiety. This guy to me sounds like he panicked and did the first thing he could to stop the sorce of the pain. Someone who is severely Autistic might experience such overwhelming pain at a sound that it completely overrides their normal thought processes momenterily. He might have been someone who knew intelectually that it is wrong to kick a baby or any human being but his understanding of the concequences in terms of human tragedy might well have been completely non existant. He might have understood it as a rule that is not to be broken rather then understand the pain it would inflict on the family and child he kicked. To him it might have been a rule like dont cross the road at a red traffic light. This guys carers might have been over confident that he would be ok in such a situation. I don't think its right to blame any one or lock people away. Its not easy to just label someone with autism as a danger to the public, he might be profoundly autistic but not every one who is "profoundly" is a danger. Also in my opinion he is also a victum because he obviously has such sensory difficulties and it appears as if there was no one to protect him from a situation that caused such pain that he want into overload and reacted that way. it is tragic for everyone involved THERE IS NO PLACE FOR HEROS WHO WANT TO PUNCH HIM TO DEATH, people need to learn more about the condition, if the solution was to lock people up and be harsh it would have already been done, it has been tried before. Some people are just shocked at what happened and post, that is understandable but from some posts if feel like there are people fantasizing about bieng heros.
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Do you know if Guzzidom attacks people on a regular basis?
Do you know that autistic children who are violent are violent because of learned behavior or an intrinsic propensity to violence because of there condition?
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I haven't seen anybody defending the autistic lad to HAVE THE RIGHT to kick a baby in the face.
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agreed
not true in my experience they realise straight away what they did was wrong they just don't seem to be able to control the initial outburst .
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And that would be why I said it was a path best left untravelled here.
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I hope you never have an autistic kid then. That'd be super fun, locking him up in an asylum for the rest of his life.
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Please quote where I said it was perfectly OK. I was making the point that it is understandable.
I will admit that my comment that "I think that you did handle that situation the only way you could" was silly and I retract it. I do stand by my position however that it understandable for Guzzidom to react the way he did.
Ok, lets put it this way,
If, at playgroup, (or in a cafe) a 2 year old wipes your 1 year old around the face with a pencil case, causing a broken nose or a cut, do you then beat the older child half to death or do you tell the parents to control their child?. That, in effect is what you are saying.
If in Asda's and another couples 3 year old from his pushchair screamed loudly at your child in a pushchair in the next queue and set them off (they do it quite often TBH) would you run up pushing and screaming at the other parent's that he should be in an effin cage, drive them out of the shop and then act aggresively in the carpark to them?
If, at playgroup, (or in a cafe) a 2 year old wipes your 1 year old around the face with a pencil case, causing a broken nose or a cut, do you then beat the older child half to death or do you tell the parents to control their child?. That, in effect is what you are saying.
If in Asda's and another couples 3 year old from his pushchair screamed loudly at your child in a pushchair in the next queue and set them off (they do it quite often TBH) would you run up pushing and screaming at the other parent's that he should be in an effin cage, drive them out of the shop and then act aggresively in the carpark to them?
What!. I'm to blame for autism for some moron who got right in my face and terrified my family to the point that we had to abandon our shopping in the aisle!
I don't think so
My actions were viewed dimly by the judge and rightly so, however it so incensed me at the time, him leaning into my windscreen nodding and saying yeah..yeah.. repeatedly after freaking us all right out my temper got the better of me.
That's not a justification of it, it's just the way it happened, I could have, and should have handled it differently, however I didn't (and I'm not sure I wouldn't do the same again under the same circumstances, I'd like to think not)
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your defence and tone inferred to me you thought it acceptable.
I also do not think it understandable what Guzzidom did. Ok the guy had a stinking attitude, but Guzzidom and his family had left the store, were in their vehicle ready to drive away. Then he escalated the situation by turning to violence when their was no threat to him or his family.
could you not have just had the person on the till call security and have him removed?
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Hindsight is an exact science.
I thought it better we just left rather than wander off to find some spotty teen leaving my family with his fury (my son was really freaked out by this time), I suspect he would have waited outside if we'd done that anyway. When he then came outside gooning at me I just though, right mate you've had your chances, the kids are all safely in the cars. I was so angry about what he'd done I don't think I was thinking straight (in fact I know I wasn't there was steam coming out of my ears by the time we had got back to the car, it was all my wife could do to stop me going back in the shop and seeing if he wanted a little chat without the kids about)
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Just so you know and everyone else too.. I'm on your side with this one.
What you did was wrong but your anger is justified. I can see why you lashed out
