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Rumors of the 4900XT

As far as I see its only an SPs increase and not cores... which ATI badly* needs anyhow to keep ahead of nVidia.

* Might be a little exagerated :P depending on your point of view.
 
As far as I see its only an SPs increase and not cores... which ATI badly* needs anyhow to keep ahead of nVidia.

* Might be a little exagerated :P depending on your point of view.

I don't fully understand this post, are you saying ATi cards need more stream processors or physical cores or what? Sorry it's just the way you phrased it, "only an SPs increase", is a little ambiguous to me.

Also, I'd've thought more SP's = more TMU's and such as well because they'd have to go into funny ratios to keep the same amount of texture units and only increase the amount of stream processors by a moderate amount.

Edit: or are you saying only a core modification with more SP's unlocked or something as opposed to an entirely new core on a new fabrication process? >>
 
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I don't fully understand this post, are you saying ATi cards need more stream processors or physical cores or what? Sorry it's just the way you phrased it, "only an SPs increase", is a little ambiguous to me.

Also, I'd've thought more SP's = more TMU's and such as well because they'd have to go into funny ratios to keep the same amount of texture units and only increase the amount of stream processors by a moderate amount.

Edit: or are you saying only a core modification with more SP's unlocked or something as opposed to an entirely new core on a new fabrication process? >>

OP was sayings the 4900 has more "cores" and comparing it to the 295GTX which is a "dual core" setup. So I was assuming he was suggesting it would be like a "4970X4"
 
OP was sayings the 4900 has more "cores" and comparing it to the 295GTX which is a "dual core" setup. So I was assuming he was suggesting it would be like a "4970X4"

Oh right, fair enough. I just thought he was using 'cores' in the Nvidian manner, like in the "128 cores deep" 9800 GTX adverts. Yeah that didn't occour to me, sorry, poor communication skills on my part there. :p
 
My hypothesis for Radeon HD 49xx
If on 55nm...
960sp, higher clocks on both memory and core. Dump the crossfire sideport to maintain same die size.

if on 40nm...
1280sp+ possibly 1600. Same, or higher clocks on core, higher clocks with RAM. 512 and 1 GB configurations.

The second card would be the best performing card, better than 4870x2, and nearly as good as GTX295, at less than half the price.
 
I though Ati have poo poo'd this, saying the next card would be the 58** range in the second half of the year. Maybe the 285 changed their mind.
 
march is in q2 ? so evryone knows that ati releasing 40 nm not big deal i think nvidia releasing 40nm to around the same time. 295gtx short life span as it was said before so no big deal
 
From what I remember the 4800 series was very modular so it would be quite easy to add cores during a shrink without an architecture change. Could make things a little more interesting though I'll be sticking with my 8800's for the forseeable.....

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My hypothesis for Radeon HD 49xx
If on 55nm...
960sp, higher clocks on both memory and core. Dump the crossfire sideport to maintain same die size.

if on 40nm...
1280sp+ possibly 1600. Same, or higher clocks on core, higher clocks with RAM. 512 and 1 GB configurations.

The second card would be the best performing card, better than 4870x2, and nearly as good as GTX295, at less than half the price.

Ah, I love completely innacurate made-up figures.
 
This seems quite possible.

Incredibly unlikely, other than the fact I've yet to see proof of their being 900 shaders, just a REALLY bad picture that shows 8 rows of identical parts on a electron microscope picture of the core, and deciding another row next to it has to be more shaders, and Anand making the point that when you go really small you DON'T need redundancy but because they said the word thats all people focused on, basically, i highly doubt it has 900 shaders.

But, a new process is ALWAYS< ALWAYS without question lower yield, so if they can't release a 900 shader part now(if infact there were such a possibility) then theres no way they could do that on a new core.

Die shrunk 1000 sp's, few more TMU's/rop's etc to compensate and probably clocked up towards 900, maybe even 100Mhz, maybe an extra 200-400Mhz on the memory if its doing well at the moment though they might keep that the same who knows.

Nvidia, every chance their 40nm is doing well but no rumours of them taping out at all, no sign of anything meaning probably their ridiculous delay to 55nm, and ridiculously clinging to this part when it was so late seems to have leaked over to delays on their 40nm part.


As for the idea they'll just wait for the next gen 5XXX part end of year, its highly unlikely, why, because they've always liked to test a new die size on a relatively easy shrink with relatively few changes and have it tweaked and ready for super high yields on larger newer more complex cores. Not to mention TSMC WILL have 40nm available and theirs more profit to be found after a month or two on a new process, so for 4/5 months they'll make more money by switching to 40nm asap.
 
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