ATI says that their 4800 series out ranks NVidias new GTX295

[explicit4u]

The x2 drivers have matured a lot since you had the x2 and it was new tech you can't really say the same about the gtx295 it should and probably is a solid card because its just sli 260/280 hybrid really and nv had a lot of time to get that right. Not many complaints about x2's since the drivers got better and with 9.1 it looks like the x2 can hold its own v the gtx295 which is pretty good since its been out around 6 months longer.

Exactly.

ATI have had that crown for a long time and it seems that the 6 months it took Nvidia to take it back wasn't spent to well as the 295 is a disappointment compared to what the hype said. over time the 295 will show what it was made for but now ATI are still manage to squeeze juice out of the x2 and in my book a 6 month old card beating a brand new card in any way shape or form is what i call excellent tech from an excellent company.

 

[rapid64k]

I would still say that ATI drivers are a tad buggy. In COD WAW i still get the white lines around the edges of water while the Nvidia cardsb seems to handle it quite well.

I still think that the GTX295 is only a stop gap till the new Directx11 cards arrive later on this year...in think in around 6 months time.

 

[MR.B]

ATI have had that crown for a long time and it seems that the 6 months it took Nvidia to take it back wasn't spent to well as the 295 is a disappointment compared to what the hype said.

It wasn't a disappointment for anyone in the know, as most knew exactly what the 295 was - for the most part, 2x 260's.

ATI are still manage to squeeze juice out of the x2 and in my book a 6 month old card beating a brand new card in any way shape or form is what i call excellent tech from an excellent company.

Thats not really true though... the 295 isn't new tech, it's older tech than ATI's 4xxx series, being as it's just two 260's, that have all the shaders enabled of the 280. NV just had to wait for smaller 55nm production to get them both on a single card because of heat and power.

The x2 drivers have matured a lot since you had the x2

They do look a lot better than when i had the X2 in terms of performance. But that was not the main issue i had with drivers (game issues and CCC bugs), i was also one of the unlucky ones that had the 'atikmdag' error which caused constant crashing. A problem that still exists with ATI and has existed since Vista's release.

2560x1600 with max AA/AF settings?

I get perfect frame rates with 32xAA + 16xAF with the 185 BETA's @ 2560x1600 on games like Painkiller and almost any Source Engine based game, including Left 4 Dead.
On other stuff like Fallout 3, Mass Effect, and Crysis the card simply does not have enough memory for more than 2 - 4xAA at that res. I'd really like to see cards like this with 2GB usable graphics RAM...

 

[Kainz]

Nice to see the GPU forum hasn't changed since the dx9 days.

 

[Rroff]

nVidia could have had the 295GTX out at any time - they choose to wait for 55nm to reduce heat, power requirements and noise - they didn't need 55nm to do it - it was just better that way.

 

[james.miller]

it would have been a bloody hot card if they didnt, and more expensive.....

 

[mdjmcnally]

I've never yet seen a review where the manufacturer doesn't adjust the test in someway to suit them.

Nvidia do it, AMD do it, Intel do it.

Its the same in the firewall sector as well.

 

[layte]

nVidia could have had the 295GTX out at any time - they choose to wait for 55nm to reduce heat, power requirements and noise - they didn't need 55nm to do it - it was just better that way.

Of course they could have done, but not everybody wants a phase change cooling system for a gfx card.

 

[mmj_uk]

Ati is a good company

They don't exist anymore.

They would just lose a lot of fanboys if the name was changed to AMD Radeon.

 

[Overslop]

They don't exist anymore.

They would just lose a lot of fanboys if the name was changed to AMD Radeon.

Of course they exist. Just because they are owned by AMD, doesn't make them vanish does it? It's like saying Ubisoft no longer exists because they were bought by EA.

 

[Rroff]

Of course they could have done, but not everybody wants a phase change cooling system for a gfx card.

They wouldn't have needed phase - the stock 260 65nm cores run fairly cool.

 

[Lightnix]

I think the fact of the matter is: Nvidia didn't expect the 4800 series to be nearly as powerful as they were. Whilst they could, technologically speaking, have released a 'GTX290' with two 65nm GTX260's, the reason they didn't was because developing a new board design takes time and money. The RV770 core, for example, began development in 2005. The development of the GTX295 was clearly a knee-jerk reaction from Nvidia that they hadn't initially planned for, hence it coming to market 6 months later than the 4870 X2.

 

[Final8y]

I'm getting along a lot better with my 295 than the X2 i had, even at 2560x1600 that i play at.
But i cant point out facts as to why i did not like the X2 or why ATI drivers generally dont compare, because Final8y will come out from his cave and go off on one...

Grow Up.

Think for a minute to why i tend to pick on your negative criticism of ATI cards over others negative criticism of ATI.

atikmdag' error which caused constant crashing. A problem that still exists with ATI and has existed since Vista's release.

You keep perpetuating BS about problems only exiting on ATI side when in fact its on NV side as well.
BFG 9800 GFX GeForce, Crashing
And has existed since Vista's release.
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13231592
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17966268
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17960225
http://www.google.co.uk/search?num=...0&ct=result&cd=1&q=geforce+9800+crash&spell=1
http://www.google.co.uk/search?num=...hs=rI8&q=geforce+8800+crash&btnG=Search&meta=
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/7046/vistacrash1uj4.jpg

 

[Jibber55]

Mr.B

NV just had to wait for smaller 55nm production to get them both on a single card because of heat and power.

I will respectfully point out that the GTX295 is not a single card solution. Would have thought anyone

in the know

would be aware of that.

Sorry, couldn't resist!

 

[layte]

They wouldn't have needed phase - the stock 260 65nm cores run fairly cool.

With a large well engineered two slot cooler. Personally I think in the confines of a GX2 design the heat would be too much for the current cooler to handle comfortably. You must admit Nvidia cannot have been happy with ATI having the single fastest card for almost five months, along with the kudos it brings.

We all know stuff like the X2 or 295 do not bring in the money, they are show pieces, designed to win the benchmarks and pique peoples interest in their products. Hence past products like the XT PE (press Edition).

 

[Rroff]

True but my 260 maxcore heavily overclocked idles around upper 30s and rarely gets over 52-55C in operation (and T op is 78C). So I'd imagine that it would be possible to get 2 of them in a 2 slot package without stupidly high temps.

 

[EvilOne]

You keep perpetuating BS about problems only exiting on ATI side when in fact its on NV side as well.

Its funny how since the cheap 280's have been sold that sudenly its went from 3 ATI problems per 1 Nvidia problem, to 3Nvidia problems per 1 ATI problem.

Guess nvidia winning the sales atm, cant blame them with 280's selling for price of 4870 1gb lol.

 

[MR.B]

Grow Up.

Think for a minute to why i tend to pick on your negative criticism of ATI cards over others negative criticism of ATI.

You keep perpetuating BS about problems only exiting on ATI side when in fact its on NV side as well.
BFG 9800 GFX GeForce, Crashing
And has existed since Vista's release.
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13231592
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17966268
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17960225
http://www.google.co.uk/search?num=...0&ct=result&cd=1&q=geforce+9800+crash&spell=1
http://www.google.co.uk/search?num=...hs=rI8&q=geforce+8800+crash&btnG=Search&meta=
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/7046/vistacrash1uj4.jpg

You see people? I told you he would pop up!

Look Final8y, i know this probably wont sink in, but:
I've never once said NV have no problems.
I've never said the problems i had with ATI happen to every single ATI user.

Look i even made that bold for you to try and make it sink in better... as you seem to think otherwise. No one else finds it nesserary to point this out, only you for some strange reason. Maybe because it's obvious to everyone else i'm not saying what you think...

And as for the BFG crashing... dont you think that has something to do specifically with BFG cards? Maybe BFG's BIOS??
And the last pic you linked, NV is obviously going to have a higher percentage of crashing in Vista, there cards are more popular, especially so around Vista's release when NV's drivers were poor, they have also been more popular for years longer before ATI even began to compete (pre-9700 PRO era), NV are considerably bigger than ATI ever was in company size and earnings.

 

[MR.B]

Mr.B


I will respectfully point out that the GTX295 is not a single card solution. Would have thought anyone would be aware of that.

Sorry, couldn't resist!

And i will respectfully point out that it IS a single card solution. Yes it's two PCB's stuck together. But a card that fits in a single slot and comes in a single package is considered a single card and is sold as such.

 

[Final8y]

You see people? I told you he would pop up!

Look Final8y, i know this probably wont sink in, but:
I've never once said NV have no problems.
I've never said the problems i had with ATI happen to every single ATI user.

Look i even made that bold for you to try and make it sink in better... as you seem to think otherwise. No one else finds it nesserary to point this out, only you for some strange reason. Maybe because it's obvious to everyone else i'm not saying what you think...

And as for the BFG crashing... dont you think that has something to do specifically with BFG cards? Maybe BFG's BIOS??
And the last pic you linked, NV is obviously going to have a higher percentage of crashing in Vista, there cards are more popular, especially so around Vista's release when NV's drivers were poor, they have also been more popular for years longer before ATI even began to compete (pre-9700 PRO era), NV are considerably bigger than ATI ever was in company size and earnings.

But the thing is you do point it out every time you talk about problems with ATI but never mention it being a problem for NV users like its exclusive to ATI until it drawn out of by the likes of me with what you have just posted but what was not included in the post that i was replying to, like its a problem that only ATI have to sort out. and i would not of posted if you had not mention my name
But a sure fire way to get someone to post is to use their name as some how you think you can mention my name in thread in such a context & not expect me to reply .

If a problem exits between both brands then there is not point in continually pointing out a single brand like you do.
The percentage is not the point im making, its the existence of crashing.