BBC attacked by Ben Bradshaw for refusal to broadcast emergency fund appeal for Gaza
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't the Jews there before the Arabs?
The Jewish people here are never going to admit they are wrong. They are the "chosen ones" remember. As for Isreal. Erm, it hasn't existed for over 1,950 years. Not since the Romans kicked them out. It is not "their" land anymore than North America is the native Indians.
And lets not forget that the first Prime Ministers of the fledgling state of Isreal were not impartial to a little terrorist activities themselves. Thus the current Isreal was born from terrorism so they can drop the moral highground they claim to have about "hamas terrorists".
And I really enjoy the dog analogy. However Isreal isn't a dog. It is a 1st world country hammering a 3rd world country to peices. Its actions were not in proportion. It targeted schools and even UN red cross buildings. It used illegal phosphorous chemical weapons in civilian populations. It has been in breach of numerous UN resolutions for decades. Any UN action against Isreal has ALWAYS been vetoed by the US. Of course this will infuriate the Jewish on this board, they don't seem to appreciate people who know the facts about Isreal. Hardly surprising.
Isreal is not doing itself any favours. Outside of America, Isreal has few allies. And recent actions will only serve to alienate those countries who are indifferent. And if such a time that America no longer favours Isreal then its credit crunch time for Isreal. We now have a black man in the White House, and the proporation of White Christians (natural supports of Isreal, due to a book written about an fictional character; it is this book that deludes White Christians that Isreal is by rights the Jewish) is dropping all the time. In the immediate future hispanic and black will be the majority of America, and I doubt they will have the same support for Isreal as white christians.
Anyway all this is politics and well known to the educated (or those who see past Isreali proganda and the nonsence that any criticism of Jewish action is anti-semetism). This issue at stake is the ease of the suffering of people who are NOT terrorists. Women, children, old, sick, thirsty, homeless, hungry. To deny them this is abhorrent.
So please, drop the politics, have a little humanity.
And lets not forget that the first Prime Ministers of the fledgling state of Isreal were not impartial to a little terrorist activities themselves. Thus the current Isreal was born from terrorism so they can drop the moral highground they claim to have about "hamas terrorists".
And I really enjoy the dog analogy. However Isreal isn't a dog. It is a 1st world country hammering a 3rd world country to peices. Its actions were not in proportion. It targeted schools and even UN red cross buildings. It used illegal phosphorous chemical weapons in civilian populations. It has been in breach of numerous UN resolutions for decades. Any UN action against Isreal has ALWAYS been vetoed by the US. Of course this will infuriate the Jewish on this board, they don't seem to appreciate people who know the facts about Isreal. Hardly surprising.
Isreal is not doing itself any favours. Outside of America, Isreal has few allies. And recent actions will only serve to alienate those countries who are indifferent. And if such a time that America no longer favours Isreal then its credit crunch time for Isreal. We now have a black man in the White House, and the proporation of White Christians (natural supports of Isreal, due to a book written about an fictional character; it is this book that deludes White Christians that Isreal is by rights the Jewish) is dropping all the time. In the immediate future hispanic and black will be the majority of America, and I doubt they will have the same support for Isreal as white christians.
Anyway all this is politics and well known to the educated (or those who see past Isreali proganda and the nonsence that any criticism of Jewish action is anti-semetism). This issue at stake is the ease of the suffering of people who are NOT terrorists. Women, children, old, sick, thirsty, homeless, hungry. To deny them this is abhorrent.
So please, drop the politics, have a little humanity.
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They was, but the Romans kicked them out. Long time ago the Romans.
Last time I checked the history books the Native Indians were there before the Europeans, and a great deal more recent than over 1,800 years ago.
Ditto with the Aboriginies and the British/Dutch.
Yet you don't see the Native Indians and Aboriginies being supplied with F16's, Tanks, Nukes and billions of dollars of Aid to fight the Europeans do you?
Yes, and its a rather unpleasant way of proving Drunkenmasters point.
We slaughtered all the resistance and put them in a position where they were unable to fight back, and as such, they have lived peacefully ever since.
What we have here with Isreal and palestine is two sets of people who want to do that, but the "civilized world" keeps sticking their oar in and stopping them both from doing it, despite it being the best way for every one concerned.
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I disagree. If its fine for the 'Americans' and the 'Australians' to displace the native Indians and the aborigines 200 years ago, then Isreal has no claim to its land considering the Arabs have lived there for 2,000 years.
Hamas are not terrorists. They are freedom fighters. That was their land, and not the British to give away.
And the British only caved in due to US pressure and the terrorist activities of former Jewish prime ministers.
But again, this is geopolitics. And it is well known. But of course the Jewish have a major chip on their shoulder and it is widely accepted that the abused naturally grows up to become the abuser.
I get the impression that the decision has been made at the Beeb and Sky due to internal pressure from high level Jewish managers. "Impartiality" is but a smoke screen in my opinion.
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No it is not a clear analogy. I'm sick of reading these dumb, stupid, random comparisons. I've heard ones relating the conflict to an aggressive next door neighbour to ones relating it to Canada firing missiles into America (wtf?), & etc.
Both of the above were from American TV news networks.
Stop dumbing it down into a simple retaliation scenario. Its far more complicated than that. Did the dog build a wall around the child's home, oppressing him? Did the child vote for a terrorist organisation to be his Government? Was the child displaced to make a home for the dog?
No. So what the **** has it got to do with a dog and a child.
Its obvious 'two sides are at work here', anyone could work that one out. Israel's not having a war with itself is it
Christ, stop treating everyone like morons. I have the mental capacity to understand the situation beyond an animal biting a child.
In fact, its even worse than that, because if I am to assume that the child is Hamas, then it won't be the child being bitten by the dog, it will be a bunch of people not directly related to the rock throwing incident.
This war is not a case of direct punishment and never has been. The Israeli civilians that were hit by the Hamas rockets were not the ones in planes shooting at the Hamas 'target' killing a load of Palestinian civilians.
Consequently, you then have the surviving family members of the dead Palestinian civilians signing up to become suicide bombers, who then kill some more Israeli civilians.
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But if its fine for and americans and australians to displace people then surely its fine for isreal to displace people.
Anyway its a bit of a moot point, isreal is here and isnt going anyway. People can say it shouldnt exist all they want but it isnt going to change anything.
Exactly. The reality is Israel isn't going to be displaced by anyone. The Palestinians that attack Israel are condemning Palestinian citizens to death. Israel of course must allow the Palestinian territories to develop and prosper but the Palestinians need to stop the violence to allow this to happen.
I think what most people fail to understand is that these people (both Palestinians and Jews) are born into a world where they are brought up to hate each other. It's not like these people are fighting just over a bit of land, they genuinely despise each other and no ceasefire or aid is going to stop that.
If Israel were to return the land to the Palestinians, there would always be tension and hatred and further conflict. These threads are pointless, protests are pointless as are broadcasting adverts about it. No one in this country or any others are going to be able to fix this problem, it will always exist as long as those two peoples are neighbouring each other.
If Israel were to return the land to the Palestinians, there would always be tension and hatred and further conflict. These threads are pointless, protests are pointless as are broadcasting adverts about it. No one in this country or any others are going to be able to fix this problem, it will always exist as long as those two peoples are neighbouring each other.
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Innocent people are dead. More people are dying.
Why wouldn't they want to help? Are they saying they're all terrorists? Or are they not worth as much as the millions of other human lives in peril everyday - just because of where they live, and who's killing them?
Boo Hiss BBC!
Why wouldn't they want to help? Are they saying they're all terrorists? Or are they not worth as much as the millions of other human lives in peril everyday - just because of where they live, and who's killing them?
Boo Hiss BBC!
Of course he can otherwise he wouldn't be able to post. Do you think personally attacking people is helping the discussion?
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lol @ british bropaganda channel
Why the rolleyes? Israels response has been totally disproportionate, not just in the current conflict, but since it was created 60 years ago. If anything, history has shown that Israel is the main aggressor in the region.
Illegally occupying land that they have no right to, bulldozing houses, encouraging political dissent, murdering thousands upon thousands of civillians... this is all thouroughly well documented.
I have no idea how anyone can think Israel are the injured victim in all of this. It boggles my mind.
It's an incredibly crap anology. There is simplifying a situation, then there is demonstrating a complete lack of knowledge on a subject and the inability to see the current situation in the context of 60 years of history.
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I didn't attack anyone, I'm asking an honest question.
Are you accusing the BBC of being a propaganda channel?
I don't know about Sky, but you can hardly call the Beeb a disgrace; its reporting on the Gaza conflict has been extremely favourable to the Palestinians.
That would have a little more credibility if it wasn't coming from someone who lives in Greece.
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