Doesn't really hit home until....

philjohn · 27 Jan 2009 at 13:34

Poor parenting and the "softly softly" approach seemingly taken by our court/prison/parole service.

"Oh, the poor dear had a bad childhood? That explains everything - hugs and cuddles rather than prison time, it's not his fault - he's a product of his upbringing" etc. etc.

I know plenty of people who didn't have the best start in life and they've made something of themselves - it's called personal responsibility - but unfortunately our current government seems to reward lack of aspiration and strike down those of us who are trying to make decent lives for ourselves.

KiTBoH · 27 Jan 2009 at 13:45

With an economic crisis getting underway I doubt it's going to get better anytime soon either -.-'

Mikoyan · 27 Jan 2009 at 13:54

starfighter said:
Poor parenting.

+1

Chimerical · 27 Jan 2009 at 14:00

Archangelus said:
Whole country is going to the dogs

*facepalm*

Delvis · 27 Jan 2009 at 14:03

Azagoth said:
It all started in May 1997, that's when the Country was tied down with barbed wire and repeatedly raped in the arse by the current government.

Hah, indeed

What I hate is, one kid is what...15? the other 20? The kid who's 15 will have naff all done to him because "he wasn't aware of what he was doing at the time"...And no doubt the 20 year old will get more of the blame for "influencing" the younger one.

Lock em both up, regardless of age...And give them a proper damn sentence for once, no crappy 'half sentence' parole malarky.

Delvis · 27 Jan 2009 at 14:04

Chimerical said:
*facepalm*

You don't agree?

Even my little town has changed over the years...and im only 23 and even I have noticed the difference

OpenToSuggestions · 27 Jan 2009 at 14:06

starfighter said:
Poor parenting.

These days you cannot punish kids. If you give your 2 year old a smack on the hand for putting his fingers near a plug socket he gets takan away from you for child cruelty!

If I had a chav child he would require a good beating for chav like behaviour. Not the best way of making him behave perhaps, but it works.....
I can't imagine the abuse teachers get in crappy areas

Chimerical · 27 Jan 2009 at 14:14

Delvis said:
You don't agree?

Even my little town has changed over the years...and im only 23 and even I have noticed the difference

No, its all nonsense perpetrated by whining adults.

Knife crime needs sorting, but as I've said before, its mostly related to education in my mind.

Poor parenting is a factor, but poor parenting doesn't always equate to unemployment, anger, violence, gangs, etc on its own merits.

This whole youth of today junk annoys me so much. I'm part of the "youth of today" techincally, maybe I should stab some people to prove everyone's little theory correct.

PureAppleJuice · 27 Jan 2009 at 14:20

Azagoth said:
It all started in May 1997, that's when the Country was tied down with barbed wire and repeatedly raped in the arse by the current government.

cheets64 · 27 Jan 2009 at 14:34

Azagoth said:
It all started in May 1997, that's when the Country was tied down with barbed wire and repeatedly raped in the arse by the current government.

Load of tosh, I suppose Borstal was a holiday camp and that in 1950s England nobody was murdered, society changes, you can blame it on some aspects of laws changing but its going to happen, no matter what.

Energize · 27 Jan 2009 at 14:34

Azagoth said:
It all started in May 1997, that's when the Country was tied down with barbed wire and repeatedly raped in the arse by the current government.

The Labour government have been dealing with far more important things than murder, like "extreme" porn and the so called "terrorist threat".

Punishment is far too little in this country, if these people were in prison for life or exectued they could not reoffend.

Greebo · 27 Jan 2009 at 14:48

I agree that it starts with the parents. I was shocked the other day in a local video shop when a young lad (5 or under I guess) went running up to his mum with a video shouting "mum, mum can we have this one as she has big ****"

I expected him to be clobbered from here to kingdom come like I would I have done if I dared say that to my mum when I was a kid but instead his mum said "**** off and put that back. It's my turn to pick the video this week"

To which he said "**** off you ****, I don't like your video choices"

The only problem the mother seem to have was the fact it was her choice and he was trying to pick a video, not the video he picked or the way he was talking to her.

It was then that I understood more why the youngsters of today get their attitude and problems from.

NeilF · 27 Jan 2009 at 14:55

Greebo said:
I agree that it starts with the parents. I was shocked the other day in a local video shop when a young lad (5 or under I guess) went running up to his mum with a video shouting "mum, mum can we have this one as she has big ****"

I expected him to be clobbered from here to kingdom come like I would I have done if I dared say that to my mum when I was a kid but instead his mum said "**** off and put that back. It's my turn to pick the video this week"

To which he said "**** off you ****, I don't like your video choices"

The only problem the mother seem to have was the fact it was her choice and he was trying to pick a video, not the video he picked or the way he was talking to her.

It was then that I understood more why the youngsters of today get their attitude and problems from.

More importantly... Did you check the video cover to see if his assessment was correct?

Joking aside... Scary stuff ain't it! Seems like an utter lack of common sense and class

-BA- · 27 Jan 2009 at 15:30

Greebo said:
I agree that it starts with the parents. I was shocked the other day in a local video shop when a young lad (5 or under I guess) went running up to his mum with a video shouting "mum, mum can we have this one as she has big ****"

I expected him to be clobbered from here to kingdom come like I would I have done if I dared say that to my mum when I was a kid but instead his mum said "**** off and put that back. It's my turn to pick the video this week"

To which he said "**** off you ****, I don't like your video choices"

The only problem the mother seem to have was the fact it was her choice and he was trying to pick a video, not the video he picked or the way he was talking to her.

It was then that I understood more why the youngsters of today get their attitude and problems from.

It's like I said. That child is almost certainly a meal ticket of some sorts to her. He is a walking paycheque and she clearly didn't see the need to exercise any kind of discipline. A very sad indictment on our society. I believe there was a poll done recently on how we as a nation are viewed by other member countries of the Eurovision (granted a bit of a strange platform for a poll but....) and it came out that one of the criticisms was our lack of family unit. Responsible drinking is no longer taught by parents, sitting at the dining table discussing what you did at school is no longer part of the daily routine, cooking the evening meal usually consists of either picking up the phone, pushing the child out the door to send them to the chippy or plugging in the can opener.

Most of the parents of these scroats can't even take care of themselves let alone the 16 children they have in tow.

banja · 27 Jan 2009 at 15:55

NeilFawcett said:
Everyday I drive past a nearby school. Often I see a mother walking along with her young son. She always has her ipod plugged into her ears...

For goodness sake... Can you not talk to your own child for just 15 minutes while walking them to school?

There's something quite sad and a bit tragic about that image. Poor kid.

NeilF · 27 Jan 2009 at 15:58

banja said:
There's something quite sad and a bit tragic about that image. Poor kid.

Tell me about it... I've never seen her walking along talking to the child - She always has her little headphones in...

15-20 minute when she could actually chat with her child, rather than making him feel second best to an ipod!

Walter Sobchak · 27 Jan 2009 at 16:22

Horrible scum! Shocking!

mrk · 27 Jan 2009 at 16:23

When I was in school teachers clipped you around the ears or made you stand on tables on your own facing the wall or dragged you into the headmasters office which on its own looked eerie so nobody ever wnated to go there.

Now I'm 25 and this was in Queens County primary in Stoke at the time and not a single sole misbehaved.

What happened to them days! Now they're PAYING kids to go to school? parents are far too tame these days and because of this teachers are forced to feflect this tameness.

Tough Love is the way it was and the way it should remain.

platinum87 · 27 Jan 2009 at 16:31

starfighter said:
Poor parenting.

while this is probably statistically true, it doesnt mean that its impossible to get those types of petty scum from perfect parents, some people are just evil.

on the topic of knife crime, it is bad, these people are morons, those who start fights for the sake of it because they think they are hardcore.

i know 3 people who have been stabbed, its not very nice, luckily none of them died.

next guy who pulls a knife on me, only one of us will survive

Gackt · 27 Jan 2009 at 16:37

Energize said:
The Labour government have been dealing with far more important things than murder, like "extreme" porn and the so called "terrorist threat".

Punishment is far too little in this country, if these people were in prison for life or exectued they could not reoffend.

While I think that punishment should either be harsher, or centered around reintegration and education, I most certainly don't want to devolve back to execution.