Diesel cash guzzlers: It can take 28 years for them to be cost-effective

Like the dude above said!

Why oh why does everyone forget that the second hand diesel sells for more cash! Its simple....... Compare the price of an A4 1.9tdi and an A4 2.0 petrol of about 5 or six years old.........:rolleyes:
 
£1700 over 3 years based on doing 75k - halve this to give a more average mileage and you get £850 or less than £300 a year. Doesnt seem like much compensation for having to put up with the sort of unrefined noisy powerplants you'll find under the bonnet of your average hatchback.

Or £300 a year to put towards a full injector replacement or a new turbo.
 
No point in going into the usual scare tactics,

I mean, 100bhp 1,6 petrol vs 109bhp Diesel, we could be here for hours.

The whole point is that based on 15k/year its a grand over 3 years. Not much, but still money... and still a grand cheaper.

As explained.. looking at REAL fleet mileage costs (yes i can) Diesels seem to reach the mpg stated whereas petrols dont... but instead of going into that in more detail... its worth keeping in mind.
 
Im no diesels lover btw

I love my twin turbo petrols.. :)

However, given a choice between what id class as normal cars... id take a diesel..

ie, id take a 2.0 tdci mondeo over a 2.0 petrol anyday... same with almost (not all) every other normal car.
 
Ali-Longden said:
Why oh why does everyone forget that the second hand diesel sells for more cash! Its simple....... Compare the price of an A4 1.9tdi and an A4 2.0 petrol of about 5 or six years old.........:rolleyes:
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Compare also how much continuous black soot comes out from the back of a 5/6 year old A4 1.9tdi, compared to a normal non-bronchitis inducing car....
 
[TW]Fox;13386529 said:
£1700 over 3 years based on doing 75k - halve this to give a more average mileage and you get £850 or less than £300 a year. Doesnt seem like much compensation for having to put up with the sort of unrefined noisy powerplants you'll find under the bonnet of your average hatchback.

Or £300 a year to put towards a full injector replacement or a new turbo.
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Subaru are planning to bring out a diesel WRX with a proper 7k redline, and a proper sound.

Diesel has it's use for the higher troque, however it's also silly priced both car and pump.
 
[TW]Fox;13365651 said:
Now, I hate the Daily Mail but at least it seems the press are now starting to twig that diesel is generally a noisy, flawed way of not actually saving any money...
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Urm I'm not really seeing the point here. Aren't you often the one to emplane how cars don't actually blow up, fall apart etc. when they reach 100,000 or 60,000 miles?

Leaving aside the BMW - the other cars break even well within, maybe half way through their expected lives. This being the case it shows that over the life of the car (therefore we can ignore resale value) diesel is far better value. This better value will be experienced by the 1, 2, 3 etc owners over that time.
 
clv101 said:
Urm I'm not really seeing the point here. Aren't you often the one to emplane how cars don't actually blow up, fall apart etc. when they reach 100,000 or 60,000 miles?

Leaving aside the BMW - the other cars break even well within, maybe half way through their expected lives. This being the case it shows that over the life of the car (therefore we can ignore resale value) diesel is far better value. This better value will be experienced by the 1, 2, 3 etc owners over that time.
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mmmm, blatant manipulation of statistics, the best friend of those with a desire to mislead...

How can you disregard resale price when you consider multi-owner cars and value for money and keep a straight face?
 
Regardless of what people think 50% of cars sold today are diesel. The taxation system basen on CO2 favours diesels. Manufacturers are also encourage to build lower CO2 vehicles so favour diesels. Companies and leasing companies favour diesels who make up the bulk of buyers of new cars.

Like it or not we will probably see more diesels than petrols on the road in ten years.
 
blaze of glory said:
Regardless of what people think 50% of cars sold today are diesel. The taxation system basen on CO2 favours diesels. Manufacturers are also encourage to build lower CO2 vehicles so favour diesels. Companies and leasing companies favour diesels who make up the bulk of buyers of new cars.

Like it or not we will probably see more diesels than petrols on the road in ten years.
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So it's another example of goverment regulation and spin making things worse for consumers then?

;)
 
[TW]Fox;13365651 said:
I suspect thats a typo on the top right hand table, it should be 12000 and not 2000. Note thats the time to BREAK EVEN, so even after that time, your actual saving is.. nil pounds.
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I'm sure someone has pointed this out but that is wrong, once you break even you will save money every mile on the diesel. And as you said the residual value will be more on the diesel and potentially less tax etc.

FWIW my last company car (diesel) broke even in the 16th month and saved money all the way to the 3rd year (lease for 3rd year) It was worked out properly with residuals and buy back and not by an idiot from the nazi paper :rolleyes:
 
This is pretty simple really isn't it - look at how much a car costs, look at how many miles it covers in its life, work out the cost of fuelling it with petrol or diesel, compare that with the cost difference. The diesel car uses less fuel over its life.

You need to look at total cost of ownership, cradle to grave. Multiply up by 30 million cars in the country or whatever it is and work out how much the UK would spend on a petrol fleet compared with a diesel fleet. Diesel comes out cheaper.
 
clv101 said:
This is pretty simple really isn't it - look at how much a car costs, look at how many miles it covers in its life, work out the cost of fuelling it with petrol or diesel, compare that with the cost difference. The diesel car uses less fuel over its life.

You need to look at total cost of ownership, cradle to grave. Multiply up by 30 million cars in the country or whatever it is and work out how much the UK would spend on a petrol fleet compared with a diesel fleet. Diesel comes out cheaper.
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Which is absolutely nothing to do with what is being discussed in this thread, and also highly dubious, especially given the long term durability sacrifices that have been made with modern diesel engines against earlier ones, the increased complexity of the average turbo diesel compared to the equivilent performance NA petrol and so on...

And I'd also suggest removing all taxation costs, given that they are artificial running costs not related to the fuel...
 
Overlag said:
errrrrrrr So to post cars that are not even close to equal in performance then say they "break even straight away". like lol....
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I only checked the Q7, but it's enough to show the flaw in your post.
Identical 0-60 times with the diesel topping out 9mph early at 134 mph.
The Derv also has 140 pounds of torque more than the petrol model so in gear acceleration will be at the very least equal to thge petrol model although in reality it will be better.
 
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