sorry guys, another dreamy thread!

yantorsen · 2 Feb 2009 at 23:20

taske said:
A very good reason will be the amount it costs to keep one of these in good condition and on the road. Compare the running costs for a classic car to those for a 1.0 Saxo or other small hatch. If these were such a great idea then don't you think everyone would be running about in a nice looking classic instead of spending money on new cars?

You're still going to have reliability issues, it's an old car, things WILL go wrong with even a mint condition one. This isn't speculation, I'm speaking from experience here (of classics in general).

What exactly did you get an insurance quote for and how much did it come in at? All your posts seem to lack any detail besides "I R WANT THIS CAR NAOW".

I know it won't be as reliable, but there a lot simpler to work on, and like I said I have a very kind mate (well he's actually my dad's mate) who would almost certainly help out (he has a few classics he services himself and stuff).

I have been quoted £1600 TPFT with Adrian Flux

Ricochet J · 2 Feb 2009 at 23:24

[TW]Fox;13415036 said:
Your first car is never something which is tailored to every one of your needs, tastes and hearts desire. It is never perfect. It is never your dream car.

I agree. But like I said, he was warned of the consequences. When, and not if, things go wrong he'll learn then. Best thing you could do for him right now is probably answer the thread question. Get out of that FoxBox!

task · 2 Feb 2009 at 23:24

yantorsen said:
I know it won't be as reliable, but there a lot simpler to work on, and like I said I have a very kind mate (well he's actually my dad's mate) who would almost certainly help out (he has a few classics he services himself and stuff).

I have been quoted £1600 TPFT with Adrian Flux

They may be a lot simpler to work on than a BMW or a Merc. but there's not a massive difference in terms of jobs you're likely to face when compared to a late 90's hatchback. £1600 seems slighlty excessive for an insurance quote, but I am slighlty out of touch there, perhaps this is the norm? What were you quoted for a 1.2 Clio or a 1.0 Saxo etc?

[TW]Fox · 2 Feb 2009 at 23:24

yantorsen said:
Of course, but having driven a few hatchbacks there really not as great as you like to think.

I don't think they are great at all, infact, I hate them. But funnily enough I've got a full driving license and I've driven cars on a public road and you'll be suprised what wonders this does for your perception of cars. You should try it.

But then I don't really think I'd listen to advice from someone who thinks an old 5 series is good looking either.

I'm suprised that only a few of us have noticed you are simply up to the tricks that got you suspended from GD, but if anyone needed confirmation, there it is.

You obviously have totally different ideas about what makes a car good.

No, I can actually drive, which means I can respect the merits of various cars. I don't think hatchbacks are good - but I do think they are particularly suitable for your needs.

yantorsen · 2 Feb 2009 at 23:27

[TW]Fox;13415091 said:
I'm suprised that only a few of us have noticed you are simply up to the tricks that got you suspended from GD, but if anyone needed confirmation, there it is.

I'm not suspended form GD

[TW]Fox;13415091 said:
No, I can actually drive, which means I can respect the merits of various cars. I don't think hatchbacks are good - but I do think they are particularly suitable for your needs.

What? You can drive? I didn't realise, you hadn't mentioned it before. That's exactly what I'm saying though, I care about a lot more things in a car than how well it drives, why the hell do you think I'd even consider a Land Rover if I was bothered about how well it drove. I've heard your opinion, I don't agree with it, your beginning to sound like a broken record.

jongeeone · 2 Feb 2009 at 23:29

Don't buy anything decent, or fun for your first car.
You will only end up hitting it....

Janesy B · 2 Feb 2009 at 23:29

You honestly have no idea. To run a classic every day you will need a fair amount of mechanical know how to keep it going, it will break down, it will over heat and it will drink petrol. Parts is another issues along side the fact that this is supposed to be every day reliable transport, something a classic isn't. It will drink petrol, i'll be damned the day my dad's 1600 cortina gets anything about 20 to the gallon.

If you want a classic by all means buy one, just don't expect it to be suitable everyday transport.

What an interesting place your head seems to be.

Jez · 2 Feb 2009 at 23:31

Get a cheap barge and be done with it, then once you have driven it around for a while you can base your next purchase on that. I wouldn't want a fiesta either which is why i never really bothered with cars like that. It wont look amazing, but it will be comfy, fast dependant on its engine, and be better than whatever your mates end up getting. Its not as if an old triumph looks any good is it?

[TW]Fox · 2 Feb 2009 at 23:31

yantorsen said:
I'm not suspended form GD

Yea, you are back now, but you were once

I care about a lot more things in a car than how well it drives, why the hell do you think I'd even consider a Land Rover if I was bothered about how well it drove.

I dunno, perhaps you are bored and like to post random threads on the internet?

I've heard your opinion, I don't agree with it

No, you want to pretend it doesn't exist because like it or not trying to talk with any credibility about what type of car is fun and what isn't when you don't even have a provisional driving license is rather futile. Most of the things you've mentioned regarding various cars is either irrelevent or false.

Learn to drive. Pass your test. Gain whole new understanding on world of cars. Pick first car. Get experience. Buy yourself a project. Be happy.

Or continue to post threads on the internet about things which deep down you've absolutely no intention of ever doing.

Your call I guess.

Because seriously, if swapping between wanting an off road vehicle for green laning to wanting a Mini to wanting a drop-top RWD sports car in the space of 3 days demonstrates anything well, it demonstrates somebody with absolutely no idea.

task · 2 Feb 2009 at 23:33

Janesy B said:
You honestly have no idea. To run a classic every day you will need a fair amount of mechanical know how to keep it going, it will break down, it will over heat and it will drink petrol. Parts is another issues along side the fact that this is supposed to be every day reliable transport, something a classic isn't. It will drink petrol, i'll be damned the day my dad's 1600 cortina gets anything about 20 to the gallon.

If you want a classic by all means buy one, just don't expect it to be suitable everyday transport.

What an interesting place your head seems to be.

I'm not entirely in agreement with this, I know several people that use a classic as daily transport. I've done it in the past, for several years, with few issues. I also know people with 6 year old cars that spend more time in garages waiting for their car to be fixed. It's very dependant on the car in question and the experience/skill of the owner. In this case I'm not sure a classic would make an ideal purchase, but that isn't always the case.

Jacob (: · 2 Feb 2009 at 23:35

I got a triumph spitfire as my first car at 19 and i haven’t regretted it yet. It hasn’t let me down at all and i love driving it so much. Of course with reliability i’ve probably been quite lucky, but it helps to keep an eye on everything regularly.

Id suggest its probably better if you buy one sooner rather than later, as the prices tend to rise in summer (how it seems to me anyway..)

taske said:
£1600 seems slighlty excessive for an insurance quote, but I am slighlty out of touch there, perhaps this is the norm? What were you quoted for a 1.2 Clio or a 1.0 Saxo etc?

I'm paying more than 1600 for mine(though fully comp), but when i checked quotes for 'normal' first cars, they wernt all that more reasonable.

ste_bla · 2 Feb 2009 at 23:36

yantorsen said:
Of course, but having driven a few hatchbacks there really not as great as you like to think. But then I don't really think I'd listen to advice from someone who thinks an old 5 series is good looking either. You obviously have totally different ideas about what makes a car good.

True people have different tastes but theres a difference between being in a car with L plates and hooning a car with no one beside you.

What do you actually want from a car as they all seem rather random or just bored?

Edit : Just realised not even learning yet so basing car decisions on how the passenger seat feels?

yantorsen · 2 Feb 2009 at 23:36

taske said:
They may be a lot simpler to work on than a BMW or a Merc. but there's not a massive difference in terms of jobs you're likely to face when compared to a late 90's hatchback. £1600 seems slighlty excessive for an insurance quote, but I am slighlty out of touch there, perhaps this is the norm? What were you quoted for a 1.2 Clio or a 1.0 Saxo etc?

£1700 odd for the saxo, havent checked the clio.

Janesy B · 2 Feb 2009 at 23:38

taske said:
I'm not entirely in agreement with this, I know several people that use a classic as daily transport. I've done it in the past, for several years, with few issues. I also know people with 6 year old cars that spend more time in garages waiting for their car to be fixed. It's very dependant on the car in question and the experience/skill of the owner. In this case I'm not sure a classic would make an ideal purchase, but that isn't always the case.

Perhaps if you're a mechanic or just very handy with classics then maybe it isn't an awful idea. Problem is this dude has no idea and seems to think someone's going to rescue him when it brakes down.

There's also the small fact that he hasn't passed his test yet, i can tell you now that brakes on old cars aren't greatly effective so there's that element as well.

Janesy B · 2 Feb 2009 at 23:41

yantorsen said:
£1700 odd for the saxo, havent checked the clio.

How old are you? + is that quote tpft or fully comp?

yantorsen · 2 Feb 2009 at 23:41

Jez said:
Get a cheap barge and be done with it, then once you have driven it around for a while you can base your next purchase on that. I wouldn't want a fiesta either which is why i never really bothered with cars like that. It wont look amazing, but it will be comfy, fast dependant on its engine, and be better than whatever your mates end up getting. Its not as if an old triumph looks any good is it?

to me the Triumph Spitfire MKIV is one the best looking cars of all time, the tail end isn't so great, but the front looks lovely to me. Like I said I don't think I could afford the petrol for a big barge, and I don't think I'd benefit from most of the comforts, I wouldn't use most of it.

yantorsen · 2 Feb 2009 at 23:42

Janesy B said:
How old are you? + is that quote tpft or fully comp?

TPFT, I'm 17, but I did the quote as if I was 18 as that will be when I'll be getting it.

Sone · 2 Feb 2009 at 23:43

the only thing i have to add to this thread is i could have afforded to buy an insure an E34 M5 when i passed my test; but i listned to the voice of reason and forgot about it.

could have killed me but i pretty much regretted it every day since.

saitrix · 2 Feb 2009 at 23:43

Jacob

,

You're paying a lot! I only paid £700 (fully comp) at 19 for the Dolomite Sprint.

yantorsen,

And yes don't expect good mpg from it, the Sprint averaged around 20-25mpg and could go lower if I was heavy with the right foot, thats filling with super unleaded too. I'd only expect 25-30mpg from the Spitfire. I cant remember whether it needs 97 octane or not right now.

Vigoro · 2 Feb 2009 at 23:43

you cant afford the petrol for a big barge but you can afford it for a classic that is more prone to breaking down, costing more money to run, and going to guzzle fuel probably more than a barge anyway... that makes sense :rolleyes: