That is your own personal opinion of course.
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Good for you. I hope you encounter a rat the size of this
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A day out ratting
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That is your own personal opinion of course.
Good for you. I hope you encounter a rat the size of this
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Indeed, an opinion formed from ample experience. More to the point though it was a statement made to the effect that ratting or any other form of hunting isn't something to shield children from, but rather an enjoyable and educational activity for all the family
Good for you. I hope you encounter a rat the size of this
Ah if only
God damn, its the principle of killing an animal.
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Whinging?! If you mean, think about what I have been talking about then, yes I have, annnnnnnnnnnnd, was something supposed to happen there?
edit: Don't bother replying. I'm off to bed. It's far too late in the morning and there is no point in me posting any more within this thread if I am just going to be accused of "whinging" about something I believe in passionately. At least I have chipped in and stood up for what I believe in.
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So what?
I've touched on the "it's only a rat" thing earlier. What species it is should have no bearing of what is morally questionable. I've heard this logic before from someone I knew who used to catch small animals like rats, and burn them alive with a lighter. Last I heard of him, he got arrested for assault.
I don't know about you, but I see cruelty and cruelty... it's the same thing regardless of animal species. And I'm not talking about the OP either.
He's standing up for what he believes in, and I admire that. I don't like needless cruelty either - the animal being a rat doesn't change that principle.
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Which is a pest whose numbers have been artifically inflated by human practices, and hence needs controlling.
Once we've established that, the question becomes the most humane way to find and kill rats, and Terriers beat the other choices (poision/shooting/drowning etc) hands down for that.
So with that in mind, does it really matter if the people that carry out the pest control enjoy it? Would you somehow feel less upset if the same numbers were killed but nobody got any enjoyment from it? If so, what on earth is the difference?
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The difference is pleasure from killing.
I think the key question here is if pleasure is derived for a job well done, or the actual killing or hurting the animal itself. Some people have moral misgivings about gaining pleasure from killing... which is understandable. Inflicting pain shouldn't really be enjoyable anyway.
Culling is a serious business and is not supposed to be taken lightly. At the end of the day, you're taking the life of the animal - the least you can do is be respectful about it. This isn't a computer game we're talking about here, it's a real life situation... with a real life target... where the target feels what's happening to it.
Because really, pain and death on its own is not really a funny thing, is it? I would certainly say it's morally questionable to derive pleasure from it... but at least the OP is being humane about it. The "sick" jibes should be reserved for those who go out of their way just to make said animal suffer, and have a giggle from it.
i think killing an unwelcome pest in the fastest, most "humane" (ratane?) way possible is respectful enough. There are worse ways to go than in the mouth of a terrier, which is a perfectly natural thing to happen. All they are doing is encouraging it, rather than shielding their dogs from the reasons they were bred.
Honestly, what a caffuffle. It's almost as if most of you actually believe that animals dont eat each other.
Honestly, what a caffuffle. It's almost as if most of you actually believe that animals dont eat each other.
Well said. Do-gooders living in a fantasy world.
Rainmaker: That post was a response to my interpretation of what I believed you were implying ie, you would not hesitate to turn your dogs on a badger if the opportunity arose. If I have misrepresentated your intention, then I apologize. Sometimes its not clear what is being implied by a post. I would however urge you to re-read what I wrote previously. A few posters seem to be of the opinion that if you think harming animals for kicks is wrong, you are gay or weak or some other rubbish. That attitude is what makes me dismissive of those posters. I have yet to read all of Gavins post but I believe it follows the same sentiment as several of mine. I have no issue with people killing for food. Thats what other animals do. I have a problem with people tearing up wild animals for fun.
Rubbish. It's a living thing that presumably feels pain. Have you ever swatted a fly? If so MURDERER.
Why would he want to? The argument against the OP is not especially difficult to grasp. If you have to control a pest then do so but do it with a bit of consideration and in an effective and meaningful way. If the OP is doing the local farmer a service by keeping a population of potential pests down then fine. But, dont post the results on a family technology forum. Its very simple really.
I use flyzone, I gas them. Chemical warfare for a slow and agonizing death.
I've read all your posts. Get a grip for goodness sake.
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