NHS let me down again

I don't believe so no, as the amount going to the NHS is not levied on a particular type of tax so can't be reduced/deducted.

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I couldn't do that. I used to have to call ambulances a lot for a flatmate with a serious condition and I know how much they struggle with workload, that and I'm not in need to *emergency* care.

I think I will try A&E tomorrow or day after if I ask my boss to give me time off work - in theory I would expect it to be quiet in the day. When I originally did it I had to wait over 5 hours (sunday night).
My Dr sent me to A&E with a collapsed lung I had for 2 weeks. Then I had to wait 4 hours in A&E before getting to see anyone. I only finally got to see someone when I told them I was leaving and was filling out the discharge forms. Collapsed lung = No pain and I was quite happy to go home.
 
I just know that should I ever need treatment I will never ever go with the NHS ever again.

Is that through personal experience? I've had a number of operations on the NHS and they have all gone very well and been done in a reasonable length of time. I also know people who wouldn't be alive today if the NHS hadn't been involved in treating them after road accidents/heart attacks etc.

When you have been cut out of your car after a road accident and are being carried to the ambulance barely alive, will you be saying 'dont take me to an NHS hospital i dont want to be treated by them, i'll wait for a private consultation please'.
 
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Is that through personal experience? I've had a number of operations on the NHS and they have all gone very well and been done in a reasonable length of time. I also know people who wouldn't be alive today if the NHS hadn't been involved in treating them after road accidents/heart attacks etc.

When you have been cut out of your car after a road accident and are being carried to the ambulance barely alive, will you be saying 'dont take me to an NHS hospital i dont want to be treated by them, i'll wait for a private consultation please'.
I've had friends taken out of car crashes and extensive cancer treatments too. I've also had friends refused appropriate psychiatric treatment who turned clinically psychotic. Like any large organisation, especially public facing, there will be mixed reviews.
 
I agree mate, the thing that gets me is that people are ready to slate the NHS and call staff incompetent and useless but not put any effort into making it better. More often than not the staff are stuck in their ways (using outdated processes and tools) as they don't have the time or resource to make things more efficient (each year each dept in a hospital/primary care etc has to find a 3% CRES saving on their budget, this goes up to 10% next year for some, that cancels out inflation so you are in effect doing the same work with less money/resource).

One thing that can have an affect is Local Involvement Networks, these can use peoples experiences to look at the local care provision and make sure the right services are delivered at the right time to the right person. The main problem with these is that you need a good cross section of the local population to attend or else you dont get a true reflection of the diversity of medical care required in the area. They can also look into cases where they think care provision has been given incorrectly.
 
Only other option is to go private.
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It's sad but you get what you pay for...

I feel very sorry for you OP. No one should be treated in this way, especially by people who have undertaken the hippocratic oath and have a duty of care for their patients. Oh and also it is their patients paying their wages too.
 
Is that through personal experience? I've had a number of operations on the NHS and they have all gone very well and been done in a reasonable length of time. I also know people who wouldn't be alive today if the NHS hadn't been involved in treating them after road accidents/heart attacks etc.

When you have been cut out of your car after a road accident and are being carried to the ambulance barely alive, will you be saying 'dont take me to an NHS hospital i dont want to be treated by them, i'll wait for a private consultation please'.

Experience. No I didn't get treated after 4 hours. I got seen after 4 hours. I then had to wait for a xray. Then a chest drain (I am quiet scared of them so as I enter A&E it's already on my mind). Then after 2 weeks of being in hospital, they decided on chest surgery. Where I was in hospital for another 3 weeks. I should inform you that before all this my lung has collapsed 3 times before. In fact, the day before I went into A&E I had just left hospital but knew as soon as I had returned home that it was still collapsed. I wanted the surgery after it happened a second time but they told me the chances of it happening again, while higher, were still low and they were against it. It's just bad luck I suppose. But the attitude the Drs gave me and the little information nurses were given (one insisted that morphine can only be injected in the ass, constant unplugging of drainage tubes which is not allowed). I just know that I would rather go private and get what I pay for. Then again it could all be down the hospitals I was treated at.
 
Experience. No I didn't get treated after 4 hours. I got seen after 4 hours. I then had to wait for a xray. Then a chest drain (I am quiet scared of them so as I enter A&E it's already on my mind). Then after 2 weeks of being in hospital, they decided on chest surgery. Where I was in hospital for another 3 weeks. I should inform you that before all this my lung has collapsed 3 times before. In fact, the day before I went into A&E I had just left hospital but knew as soon as I had returned home that it was still collapsed. I wanted the surgery after it happened a second time but they told me the chances of it happening again, while higher, were still low and they were against it. It's just bad luck I suppose. But the attitude the Drs gave me and the little information nurses were given (one insisted that morphine can only be injected in the ass, constant unplugging of drainage tubes which is not allowed). I just know that I would rather go private and get what I pay for. Then again it could all be down the hospitals I was treated at.

Sounds like a nasty experience :eek:

OTOH I have private health insurance at work and I don't think it's all it's cracked up to be. For example I wonder if an insurance company would pay out for you to be treated for a collapsed lung if they decide it's a pre-existing condition? Often private healthcare in this country is getting treated by the same doctors and nurses who work in the NHS.
 
Had a heart attack Last October, took 24 hours before i was even looked at with angiogram and blockage which was 100% fixed so wasn't happy with that as he angiogram ward was closed for the night!, out next morning and told if i stopped my medication i would dbasically die, so obviously was in a lot of shock and no support. Cardio Rehab phoned a week later and said sorry should have spoken to me before kicked out of hospital for support and cardio rehab programme!. Then a stress test (treadmill) was delayed by 6 weeks as should have been 6 weeks after heart attack and before you go back to work but ended up 12 weeks and was back at work not knowing if everything was fine, anyway failed this so have to have another angiogram again in 6 weeks time on 17th March. I asked if they find anything will they fix it there and then as my stress test has shown abnormalities and i have been told no they won't unless life threatening so will have to go back in the table AGAIN for a final outcome, Its a joke TBH and a total waste of time and money

No wonder i'm suffering from depression at the moment
 
My dad. He was originally diagnosed with bladder cancer back in late 2003, and after 18 months of unsuccessful attempts to treat it with chemotherapy and keyhole surgery targeting the tumour itself, he underwent an experimental series of operations at the Royal Liverpool University Hospital (He was the 2nd patient to ever undergo such an operation I believe). During one of my dad's follow up consultations, the consultant, a Dr Parsons did note that although my dad had no cancerous cells present in his blood samples, that secondary cancers, specifically Lymphoma would remain a danger for some time afterwards. Fast forward to summer '07, about 18 months after that warning, and my dad begins to complain of a worsening pain in his hip (which were his lymph nodes swelling as tumours took hold and spread),for which he was referred, incorrectly to an orthopaedic surgeon. Appointment after appointment was cancelled, rescheduled and cancelled, time and time again, meanwhile my dad's condition continued to deteriorate, until, one morning in mid November, I found him curled into a ball on the bathroom floor, weeping like a newborn and vomiting from the pain. He was rushed to Warrington hospital, and after 13 hours we knew nothing more of his condition, only that the only thing that could touch the pain was intravenous morphine, however, his hip was X-ray, shoulders were shrugged and he was sent home with a prescription for painkillers. This cycle continued right throughout Christmas and New Year, with ever stronger painkillers being prescribed so that my dad ended up using morphine patches at home, until it was decided to give him an MRI scan.

Things moved rapidly afterwards, with a consultant at Warrington hospital, previously too busy to see him until weeks later calling us to get him into his office the next morning. That day, January 8th, my father was diagnosed with terminal lymphoma. Left unchecked, the cancer we'd been warned of ,and that had been noted on his medical records, had spread aggressively throughout his body. There was little doctors could do but to offer chemotherapy to slow the cancer, and medication to limit the pain. My dad fought on, and clung to life by the skin of his teeth, suffering unimaginably until he sadly passed away aged 57 on September 7th. Needless to say, my dad's death is still a raw,open wound, and his treatment by the NHS only invokes in me anger, bitterness and hatred. I have no faith whatsoever in the local primary care trust that failed him so catastrophically, so much so that I'm giving serious thought to moving out of it's catchment area.
 
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Sounds like a nasty experience :eek:

OTOH I have private health insurance at work and I don't think it's all it's cracked up to be. For example I wonder if an insurance company would pay out for you to be treated for a collapsed lung if they decide it's a pre-existing condition? Often private healthcare in this country is getting treated by the same doctors and nurses who work in the NHS.

Spontaneous Pneumothorax. So I guess it's not a condition but bad luck? :p
 
why do you fell let down?
you are receiving free medical attention for a non-life threatening condition - and you're having to wait...
you had an x-ray, it's not broken, they *had* to send you away (what else could they have done) and when your GP was certain it wasn't a sprain - you've been referred...

er.....how the hell is it free?
 
I've been in a similar situation except that it as for a broken big toe. After weeks of them not wanting to do an xray and my foot still being swollen, I just went to A&E and made them take an Xray. Despite no fracture, only then did they refer me to Ultrasound treatment. But 6 months on, it still hurts and I fear the damage has been done.

So my advice is not to take any nonsense and demand you get treated or xrayed - A&E being your quickest bet despite 2 or 3 hours wait sometimes.
 
It has been said a lot in this thread but bears repeating.

A&E.

If you have an acute condition no point waiting till your GP's surgery is open, phoning for an appointment, going throught the usual "yes we have an appointment next week", "THIS IS AN EMERGENCY", "OK come in this afternoon at 16:00" nonsense.

If you have an acute condition causing great pain then A&E is the only answer. Try different A&Es over different days if necessary.

Don't believe anything you are told unless you cross check it. Assume administrative incompetence at every turn. Treat the system as a not very competent but well meaning single supplier of medical services.

Don't feel embarrassed about making a nuisance of yourself till you get satisfaction. The squeaky wheel gets the oil.
 
Well I saw the a couple specialists today, I think one may have been a surgeon.

The ankle pain has stopped which is good. The bad side was (after not finding my original xrays which had been lost) that one of the ligaments on the outside of my foot is completly buggered and not holding anything and is making my foot itself unstable. I can start jogging but I'll need to be careful.

I've got an MRI coming up and 3 months of physio ahead. If the swelling and ligament aren't fixed by then then apparently there'll be no choice but reconstructive surgery on my ligaments. Not particularly good news! Bit annoyed at how it's been overlooked on so many visits.
 
Unlucky mate, I hope you get everything sorted and all is ok.

I broke my foot playing football years ago (someone put their boot above the ball I swung for the ball kicked the ball over their foot and kicked the sole of the shoe with all my force). I went to the doctors and was told nothing they can do, had an x ray, was told not done anything. Still to this day (and I did this over 8 years ago) I get pains in my foot after wearing shoes for a lengthy time, and I can't make a fist with my foot without an immense amount of pain and if i move my foot in a circular motion I get a shooting pain in my foot, been to a different hospital after the same thing happend to me again a couple of years ago and again told nothing wrong with it, go home. However I disagree but the doctors will not do anything.
 
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ever think about what its like to work in these places? very difficult to get everything right, lots of bad stories in the news, so so so many good ones get over looked. sorry to hear about your bad luck btw. one question, why havent your hospital got PACS ie digital xrays? no way they can get lost or left anywhere then.
 
ever think about what its like to work in these places? very difficult to get everything right, lots of bad stories in the news, so so so many good ones get over looked. sorry to hear about your bad luck btw. one question, why havent your hospital got PACS ie digital xrays? no way they can get lost or left anywhere then.

They were digital lol. There was no record of me even going to hospital to get it xrayed in the first place though. Go figure.
 
It's important to establish with your doctor that you're not being a hypochondriac. A lot of people go to the Doc over nothing, and consequently if you don't describe the severity of the problem they may think you simply need to sack up.
 
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