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Brown vows to claw pension back

Gordon Brown has repeated his threat of legal action against ex-Royal Bank of Scotland chief Sir Fred Goodwin over his "unacceptable" £16m pension.
How about he vows to claw back the wasted funds he has spunked relentlessly since he was chancellor? How about he vows to claw back the time he has had as PM when he should have called an election? How about he leaves this pension alone as it was agreed in the contract.

How about he just claws back his credibility?

Gordon Brown, you are a ****.
 
He is dead right. People who make huge mistakes which end up costing the taxpayer a lot of money should be dealt with.

On that note then remind me again how much our gold reserves would have been worth now?
 
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How about he vows to claw back the wasted funds he has spunked relentlessly since he was chancellor? How about he vows to claw back the time he has had as PM when he should have called an election? How about he leaves this pension alone as it was agreed in the contract.

How about he just claws back his credibility?

Gordon Brown, you are a ****.

Although I will agree with your comments about Gordon Brown, Sir Fred Goodwin's pension was not contractually, it was discretionary subject to agreement with the board. The bank did not have to give it to him at all.

However, the board agreed it and the government sanctioned it so no legal recourse now. That horse has well and truely bolted.
 
How is this guy getting his pension any way from what ive read he wasnt able to take the full amount untill he was 60.
 
Although I will agree with your comments about Gordon Brown, Sir Fred Goodwin's pension was not contractually, it was discretionary subject to agreement with the board. The bank did not have to give it to him at all.

However, the board agreed it and the government sanctioned it so no legal recourse now. That horse has well and truely bolted.
Fair do's, I stand corrected. But it still stands that Fred made more than was lost during his time as boss, and it's Gordon Brown's ****ing fault for turning a blind eye that everything has gone **** up.
 
The ironic thing being his pension was government sanctioned, as already mentioned.

Robert Peston said:
Lord Myners urged that Goodwin be removed from his post - but was told by Sir Tom that the board had already agreed to do so.

The City minister told Sir Tom that it would be inappropriate for Sir Fred to receive a termination bonus or to be able to exercise his share options.

However, in the presence of a senior lawyer, Lord Myners was informed by Sir Tom that Sir Fred would walk away with a pension pot valued at £16m - and that this was a contractual obligation.

Lord Myners felt he couldn't challenge an arrangement that therefore seemed obligatory - though presumably he now wishes that he had done.

The question that now arises is what did Sir Tom mean by "a contractual obligation" - since it is now clear that the board had discretion not to give Sir Fred £650,000 per annum aged just 50.

Source.
 
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Yeah, so the bank told them they had a contractual obligation. What kind of idiots wouldn't check to see what that obligation was?
 
The thign is he was probably owed lots of stock, as most senior people will get stock given to them, they've clearly said that it would be inappropriate to give him the stock he was probably owed as he'd sell it and it would look bad all around, so they gave him the pension instead.

Who cares, he's done nothing wrong, put it this way, if he'd done fantastically well his contract, salary, pension and stock options were ridiculous even if he was doing well. The fact he did badly is neither here nor there.

Do you all expect that if your companies have a bad year, or you don't magically turn the economy on its behind yourself which means your company loses money that you should suddenly have to give up your wages or pension? no, its ridiculous, an agreement was made and its fair to stick with it. THe agreement itself was questionable, the thing is its the people that MADE THIS AGREEMENT in the first place that are responsible here, no one else at all.

the banks were always going to hit this kind of time, its not their fault that car companies(as an example) have been overproducing at max capacity for years, have millions of cars sitting around doing nothing and are all going bankrupt, its the way of the world, we kept building faster and faster requiring less and less jobs the more efficient the process got and now we lack jobs. thats the cause of all the problems, there would have been basically no one in the world that could have stopped this from happening, though maybe softened the blow, there will be others in the world in the same job who would have made double the losses, such is life.

Brown is a numpty and as the OP said, he is simply passing the blame around at every chance he gets so it "appears" like theres a few key scapegoats and none of it is his fault.

To go after the guys pension to deflect attention from his up screwups is BEYOND a low blow, its just a scummy thing to do frankly.

Put it this way, footballers, most premiership players make a frankly obscene amount of money, the top earners on 100k a week + are on truly obscene amounts. But lets for instance take Adebayor, he had a good season last year, and got a MASSIVE pay bump he signed a new contract for 2million a year extra, basically a 100% increase yet he's been a total flop, Arsenal have been a flop compared to last year. SO now because we're all bitter we should revoke his wages because in hindsight it was a stupid move(ok to be fair in this case it was a stupid move when it happened in everyones eyes except Wengers :p ).

The point is, they are on an obscene amount of money to start with, success or lack of it doesn't change what they agreed to, the problem is the people who offered the amount to begin with.
 
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The witch hunt for the RBS exec is just to distract the masses from the mess Brown got us into and deflect blame away from the government.

Yes the Exec does have some answering but he's nothing more than a sacrifical lamb.
 
Put it this way, footballers, most premiership players make a frankly obscene amount of money, the top earners on 100k a week + are on truly obscene amounts. But lets for instance take Adebayor, he had a good season last year, and got a MASSIVE pay bump he signed a new contract for 2million a year extra, basically a 100% increase yet he's been a total flop, Arsenal have been a flop compared to last year. SO now because we're all bitter we should revoke his wages because in hindsight it was a stupid move(ok to be fair in this case it was a stupid move when it happened in everyones eyes except Wengers :p ).

The difference is that the taxpayer didn't have to give huge amounts of money to the football club to keep it from going under. If RBS didn't get bailed out what would have happened to his pension then I wonder?
 
The government only cares about this because it was reported in the media. I really wouldn't be surprised if Gordon Brown knew about it all along, but now feels he needs to do something about it.
As someone else mentioned, Goodwin did make a lot of money for RBS. I remember there being quite a bit on the intranet about record profits around bonus time in 2004 or 2005.
 
The difference is that the taxpayer didn't have to give huge amounts of money to the football club to keep it from going under. If RBS didn't get bailed out what would have happened to his pension then I wonder?
It might not have been as big, but I'd bet he'd still have got one - it's in a separate scheme. If, in the incredibly unlikely event that RBS had been allowed to go into liquidation, his pension wouldn't have gone with it.

The money in this pension fund isn't entirely from RBS - it will also be made up of money from pension funds he's paid into/had paid into from previous employment - as he states in his letter that Robert Peston's published.

In my opinion, it would seem horrendously unfair to take the entire pension away from the man and leave him with nothing to live on for the rest of his life after 30 years of work.
 
guys, why is this in GD...

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spie should use this as an oversized sig, because he can :p
 
I think we really do need to set the precident that the government can override contract law when it feels like it. I am sure they would only ever use it in the best interests of the people as a whole.
 
In the very near future I am going to be present somewhere where Gordon Clown is in public.

I plan to crap into a plastic sealable freezer bag, and when close, will spatter it all over him.
 
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